BlindBoyGrunt
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That is because Judaism isn't a race and many Jews are offended at the suggestion that it is.The thing a lot of people can’t seem to comprehend is that Judaism is a religion, race and ethnicity.
That is because Judaism isn't a race and many Jews are offended at the suggestion that it is.The thing a lot of people can’t seem to comprehend is that Judaism is a religion, race and ethnicity.
Perhaps if Corbyn hadn't ignored the vote of confidence that he lost (comprehensively by 80%) after the 2016 GE...
Exactly. You can't dismiss it, because it's all there on camera.Then your memory doesn't serve you well. The right (Kinnock and co) were visibly distraught when the results were coming in.
You can dismiss something without looking at it if you wish, but the Al Jazeera documentaries contain a lot of footage from hidden cameras, one showing Labour MP Joan Ryan, making a false accusation of anti-Semitism and also showing her discussing with Shai Masot, a senior political officer at the Israeli embassy in London, a £1m slush fund that she had been offered
Do you actually have my criticism of what she said though?Hang on, lets not murky the waters on that point. Whatever else people think of Abbott we've had documented evidence of Labour staff actually deliberately sabotaging the party - i.e. leaks to journalists, delaying investigations and disciplinary procedures, hiding members funds. Abbott wasn't involved in any of that.
Do you actually have my criticism of what she said though?
And many Jews say that Judaism is a race. My point was that it transcends religion alone. Think about Jewish atheists: Edwina Currie, Amy Winehouse, David Baddiel. Do you think the Gestapo would have left them alone in 1939?That is because Judaism isn't a race and many Jews are offended at the suggestion that it is.
This ignores the millions of Africans who have died at the hands of Europeans. Leopold II of Belgium is responsible for 10m deaths, and they had to sit at the back of the bus.Yes Diane. Jews did not get to sit at the back of the bus. Jews died in gas chambers.
How did he ignore it?Perhaps if Corbyn hadn't ignored the vote of confidence that he lost (comprehensively by 80%) after the 2016 GE...
One faction actively worked to lose the election. That is indisputable. Pretending that didn't happen just makes it look like you're pushing an agenda.As for Labour leaks and Forde report( (which covers it), the culture within Labour was clearly terrible and badly organised, but it was on all sides, neither side wanted to listen to the other, and back then they had absolutely zero chance of winning, unless being on relatively the same page. Ultimately the leadership chain is at fault for allowing this to happen or facilitating it, and that buck stops with the guy at the top.
The forde report said the various sides influenced decisions, but it was bad both ways, but sides favoured their side, rather than the election win. From what I remember, neither of the factions wanted to lose the election and didn't work to that on the whole, they were just more prioritising their side. In either case, the report said it had little influence on the actual result of the election.
The right folk didn't want the party going too far left as they never thought it could win, and the left folk wanted to move away from the right (who they couldn't win without), they're both entitled to think what they want, but back then they couldn't win without each other, as then need each other plus some more votes from the Tories. This still applies, and is seemingly going to cause problems with voters again, do a degree.
Such good work that both the person who commissioned it, and the media, have ignored it, almost completely. The only real mentions it's had in the press have been misrepresentations of it's findings.The report is clearly good work, and its helped move Labour in the right direction and enabled the party to try and work towards the same aim, and Starmer's been much better at removing those who don't want to be a part of that.
Why did it take a whistleblower to prevent the Gunpowder Plot in 1605. Why didn't James I realise and get a grip sooner?But, why did it take a leak for this to all come out, why didn't Corbyn realise this and get a grip on it sooner?
Again, this is just stupiditiy followed by revisionist nonsense. There was only one faction working against a Labour victory. The polling gap DECREASED when purdah set in and corbyn was able to set out his vision for the country. The left weren't very far from getting control of parliament. Had the centrists not deliberately sabotaged that election then we might be in a much better place now. Disputing reality is just more proof you have an agenda.Interesting how you don't point any of these problems at the leadership though, and that both factions were working against each other, and how both effectively knew they were onto a loss when the election was called (which is understandable). Most of the gain in Labour votes between the Tories calling the election and the election happening were largely down to Tory **** ups, obviously, the Tory campaign was also terrible, yet still won.
Yes Diane. Jews did not get to sit at the back of the bus. Jews died in gas chambers.
You do know that Jews were initially required to wear badges to identify themselves and that those badges prevented their free movement?Yes Diane. Jews did not get to sit at the back of the bus. Jews died in gas chambers.
Of course not, but that's why many Jews insist that they are and never were a race. Hitler regarded the Jewish people not only as a race but as an inferior race.Do you think the Gestapo would have left them alone in 1939?
Read Diane Abbots words. She creates a hierarchy of racism. She queries if Jews can experience racism. She questions if gypsies can experience racism. They just experienced prejudice. She minimised the experiences of races versus people of colour.As I've said, I don't agree with what Abbotts said but this isn't the right response to it. Firstly there's nothing to gain from trying to make a competition out of which group have suffered the most/worst racism. Secondly don't pretend there hasn't been a long history of anti-black racism in the USA - slavery, lynchings, Jim Crow laws, the Tulsa Race Massacre, the industrial prison system, etc, etc, etc. That's gross.
Read Diane Abbots words. She creates a hierarchy of racism. She queries if Jews can experience racism. She questions if gypsies can experience racism. They just experienced prejudice. She minimised the experiences of races versus people of colour.
Read the article she's responding to.Read Diane Abbots words. She creates a hierarchy of racism. She queries if Jews can experience racism. She questions if gypsies can experience racism. They just experienced prejudice. She minimised the experiences of races versus people of colour.
A hierarchy of racism already exists within Labour, as stated in the Forde report. Starmer himself has acted promptly to Abbott's letter by withdrawing the whip for suspected anti-Semitism, but no word about Gypsies or the Irish.Read Diane Abbots words. She creates a hierarchy of racism. She queries if Jews can experience racism. She questions if gypsies can experience racism. They just experienced prejudice. She minimised the experiences of races versus people of colour.
How she ever got in is beyond me.She’s had the whip suspended for saying “Jews don’t face racism” they apparently face the same prejudices as redheads.
How this woman is even still part of the Labour Party after her gaffes during the last election campaign is beyond me. She really is thick.