MARMITE
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I read this myself a few months back and can understand the reasoning, but on a 60mph stretch of busy road I use regularly sometimes comes to a standstill. Am I wrong in getting very upset when this occurs?
I read this myself a few months back and can understand the reasoning, but on a 60mph stretch of busy road I use regularly sometimes comes to a standstill. Am I wrong in getting very upset when this occurs?
Once again . I admire the defence of the cyclists. You just need to look as to why you have an image problem, why pedestrians and car drivers alike hate cyclistsThat's called confirmation bias. Plus the majority of law breaking by drivers of motor vehicles is hidden/accepted.
For example at a t-junction the light goes amber, a few drivers put their foot down & exceed the speed limit to get there before it goes red, as it goes red, one driver goes through as they know the phase of the lights & cars won't be emerging from the side road yet. The HGV driver stops and has defective eyesight. The cyclists stop. Coming out the side road, the taxi driver is over the limit from the night before, one of the drivers has been checking twitter while stopped at the lights, is slow putting the phone down & still has it in their hand as they make the turn. An 'all cross' pedestrian phase of the lights starts & one of the cyclists goes as there is no one crossing in front of them. Everyone goes 'bloody scofflaw cyclists'.
I read this myself a few months back and can understand the reasoning, but on a 60mph stretch of busy road I use regularly sometimes comes to a standstill. Am I wrong in getting very upset when this occurs?
Once again . I admire the defence of the cyclists. You just need to look as to why you have an image problem, why pedestrians and car drivers alike hate cyclists
I don’t actually. If you ignore the hatred towards cyclists (not from me, I might add, I am one) from pedestrians and drivers then you must be blissfully ignorant.Frickin eck ST - never has ‘confirmation bias’ been so apt.
You do have a habit of thinking the rest of the world ought to think like you.
Thankfully - there are lots of compassionate drivers and pedestrians out there (oh, as well as cyclists)
I'm gonna take a stab that some cyclists are also pedestrians and some are also car drivers.Once again . I admire the defence of the cyclists. You just need to look as to why you have an image problem, why pedestrians and car drivers alike hate cyclists
Like me you mean. I was talking about the generally divisive ones. The ones who mount pavements, the once who defend their rights to break traffic laws. The one who even boast about their lawlessness on social media and defend it with anger and furyI'm gonna take a stab that some cyclists are also pedestrians and some are also car drivers.
Ok, but I just think its important to point out that its some drivers who act like kn0bs, some cyclists who do also, and some pedestrians who hate cyclists etc. Mounting pavements, temporarily, with no pedestrians is utterly harmless, yet a similar 'mistake' in a car (of any kind) could actually kill someone (including the driver). I mean some of the ones who mount pavements are actual children, doing so because they're frightened of the roads, or more pertinently, some of the drivers on the roads. Are they out of order when they do it?Like me you mean. I was talking about the generally divisive ones. The ones who mount pavements, the once who defend their rights to break traffic laws. The one who even boast about their lawlessness on social media and defend it with anger and fury
I don’t actually. If you ignore the hatred towards cyclists (not from me, I might add, I am one) from pedestrians and drivers then you must be blissfully ignorant.
The cyclist and red light thing is such a clear example of them thinking they are above the laws and it’s also why they attract such dislike.
Once again I admire your spirited defence of cyclists but in trying to defend the behaviour you’re perpetuating the feelings people have towards them and, by extension, proving my point about cyclists acting in ways that upset others
Well a car nudging you at 60mph might hurt a bit. A bike in the park nudging you at 10mph might, but it probably won't. And btw, many people ride in parks because the roads are often so damn scary.Cyclists want all the room in the world on the road.
They’re more than happy to cycle on the shoulder of pedestrians in the parks though.
Apart from the mounting the pavement bit, I agree with all of this.Ok, but I just think its important to point out that its some drivers who act like kn0bs, some cyclists who do also, and some pedestrians who hate cyclists etc. Mounting pavements, temporarily, with no pedestrians is utterly harmless, yet a similar 'mistake' in a car (of any kind) could actually kill someone (including the driver). I mean some of the ones who mount pavements are actual children, doing so because they're frightened of the roads, or more pertinently, some of the drivers on the roads. Are they out of order when they do it?
As I say, what would work best is to have foothpaths exclusively for pedestrians, proper cycle paths exclusively for bikes (and scooters etc), and roads for cars. Then there'd be no need to vilify anyone else or create divisiveness. But some people get up in arms at the thought of spending public funds on something as stupid as cycling, despite the depressingly obvious health and environmental benefits (short and long term).
Well mounting a pavement safely, to keep out of the way of traffic, with no pedestrians around, and no damage done to the curb, is completely harmless. Appreciate that its a judgement call, but its not like 100% of cases are dangerous, its probably more like 1%. And the vast majority who do it are teenagers in my experience, who aren't road savvy. Also, some cycle routes actually form part of what looks like a pavement and aren't clearly marked (or paint has worn away) and so some people assume the cyclist is in the wrong when they're actually not.Apart from the mounting the pavement bit, I agree with all of this.
Way faster than 10mph. What I’m saying is, show some respect to pedestrians. Most signs I see, say pedestrians have right of way.Well a car nudging you at 60mph might hurt a bit. A bike in the park nudging you at 10mph might, but it probably won't. And btw, many people ride in parks because the roads are often so damn scary.
I can honestly say I don't see people riding much above about 10mph in the park. I mean I've ridden through parks myself, I have a speedo, and I would almost never get above that unless the place was deserted and there happened to be a long straight stretch, something few parks have. I would say the vast majority of cyclists do respect pedestrians (and same with drivers respecting cyclists) which is why we try to stick to dedicated cyclepaths as much as is humanly possible. If only we could stay on them completely all the time, eh!Way faster than 10mph. What I’m saying is, show some respect to pedestrians. Most signs I see, say pedestrians have right of way.
Try cycling in France - even Paris - British drivers have a big attitude problem. In France drivers pay cyclists upmost respect and drive safety - firstOnce again . I admire the defence of the cyclists. You just need to look as to why you have an image problem, why pedestrians and car drivers alike hate cyclists
I shall be doing just that next month. Maybe they’ll be as sarcy as you as well!Try cycling in France - even Paris - British drivers have a big attitude problem. In France drivers pay cyclists upmost respect and drive safety - first
I said that last bit at the very beginning of this threadWell mounting a pavement safely, to keep out of the way of traffic, with no pedestrians around, and no damage done to the curb, is completely harmless. Appreciate that its a judgement call, but its not like 100% of cases are dangerous, its probably more like 1%. And the vast majority who do it are teenagers in my experience, who aren't road savvy. Also, some cycle routes actually form part of what looks like a pavement and aren't clearly marked (or paint has worn away) and so some people assume the cyclist is in the wrong when they're actually not.
I cycled with a group of 40 raising money for charity - last year in Normandy, the year before along the route of the Western Front.I shall be doing just that next month. Maybe they’ll be as sarcy as you as well!
You can ignore the dislike of cyclists all you like. I don’t care. It doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Ironically using a comment like “grow up” makes you sound immature.I cycled with a group of 40 raising money for charity - last year in Normandy, the year before along the route of the Western Front.
Never a smart comment from drivers.
Excellent roads.
Experience counts.
Give it a go and grow up.