Cyclists on the pavement

Lemmy_kilmister said:
"Takes a second to nip on the road if theres a pushchair or sumitt. Common sense n courtesy always overcomes the little problems that occur"

That's the thing though, 9 times out of 10 you have to get out of the way of the cyclists.
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Yea but if it became legal and rules in place hopfully it would become ettiquette on both sides. Most cyclists who can actually ride a bike are fine on roads. But yer casual i dont know how to put my arm out when turning or cant buy lights types need the path. And lets be honest the half hearted cycle lane ideas never going to be done right here. Could add a bit to pavement widths as they go too.
 
SmallTown said:
Thus risking the safety of the pedestrians and slowing down the cyclists.

Turning all pavements into shared usage is the exact opposite of what we should be doing. More and better integrated cycle ways are the ways forward. Look at places like Denmark and The Netherlands. This is what we need. More discipline on all sides is required too. Pedestrians need to be aware when they are in shared use areas drivers need to be conscious of given cyclists enough space (A driver overtook me yesterday and immediately turned left, cutting me up) and cyclists need to, well not be so "cyclist" about everything.
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Germany they share n works fine. Problem over here is cyclists n pedestrians and people are just stuck in there ways. Look at the half hearted cycle lanes here. Stop start. Never going to be like holland etc. So widen the paths is the easiest way to go. But there really arent many pedestrians anymore
 
I had a bloody cyclist go into the side of my car. He was riding on the path and hit me as I came out of a drive. He jumped up and said “ no speak English” and off he went. New wing, bumper, damage to the bonnet - £1800 damage. So please forgive me- sod off cyclists on the path and get on the road!
 
Nosmo-King said:
I had a bloody cyclist go into the side of my car. He was riding on the path and hit me as I came out of a drive. He jumped up and said “ no speak English” and off he went. New wing, bumper, damage to the bonnet - £1800 damage. So please forgive me- sod off cyclists on the path and get on the road!
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So u never looked lol. Luckily wasnt a mam n pushchair
 
penry1 said:
Germany they share n works fine. Problem over here is cyclists n pedestrians and people are just stuck in there ways. Look at the half hearted cycle lanes here. Stop start. Never going to be like holland etc. So widen the paths is the easiest way to go. But there really arent many pedestrians anymore
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Why is it never going to be like Holland? It SHOULD be like Holland. There is also no reason at all why it never will be.

Also, no, they DON'T have it in Germany. They have cycle lanes on the paths as opposed to on the road but they are not shared use at all. There is a clear discipline needed and German pedestrians stay out of the cycle lanes.

Also you seem to be accepting of the fact that there aren't many pedestrians. That is patently and massively untrue. I can see so many pedestrians right now as I look out onto the road.

Also pedestrians and cyclists need to be encouraged, hence why we need better infrastructure for both.
 
SmallTown said:
Agreed to the second half. Cyclist going through red lights is my biggest bugbear. It's because cyclists (certainly here in London) seem to think they are above others, be it pedestrians or drivers. It's an odd thing that they have this holier than thou attitude yet they break road laws more than anyone else.
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Always think this is a strange one to get quite so uptight about.
Cyclists have great visibility at red light junctions and can easily assess danger.
Yes, it’s illegal, but it’s low risk.

And, stating the obvious, it is car drivers going through red lights that cause, damage and fatalities - not cyclists.
 
Penry coming out of a closed visibility driveway! And I was taking care!!! As more and more is done for cyclists they should pay a yearly bike road fee! Sorry, Erimus!!
 
Shouldnt happen but can understand why, most of the roads in the region especially rural ones really arent set up or that safe for bikes. Cant try to push cycling as a viable alternative to cars if we dont have the infrastructure for it
 
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/new...es-roads-have-changed-during-lockdown-2869563
More cyclists, more speeding drivers and more deaths: How North Yorkshire's roads have changed during lockdown
Extract:

While cycling has drastically increased, so has speeding and the fatality rate has risen, despite the number of collisions actually decreasing.

“Some of the changes are positive, such as more families taking up cycling and more people walking. But we’ve also seen negative changes too, including speeds of more than 130mph.

“By sharing these changes with motorists, we hope they’ll adapt their driving as routes get busier again.”

Seventy per cent more cyclists are using the roads

The super-speeders

Deserted roads have provided an opportunity for reckless drivers to reach high speeds.
Officers have regularly seen their speed guns clock 130mph and 120mph during checks, and in 30mph zones drivers have been caught doing twice the limit.

Police have spotted a deterioration in awareness of signalling and road position among many drivers.
 
SmallTown said:
Agreed to the second half. Cyclist going through red lights is my biggest bugbear. It's because cyclists (certainly here in London) seem to think they are above others, be it pedestrians or drivers. It's an odd thing that they have this holier than thou attitude yet they break road laws more than anyone else.
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When I was in London I regularly went through red lights. In fact, a policemen stopped me once for doing just that.

I explained that I always slowed down at a red light before proceeding to check it was safe and that I would not be a hazard. I also said cyclists that starting off from stationary often wobbled from side to side as they set off, and that could be dangerous with traffic accelerating from behind trying to get past.

He accepted my explanation and let me go on my way.
 
red_harrington said:
When I was in London I regularly went through red lights. In fact, a policemen stopped me once for doing just that.

I explained that always slowed down at a red light before proceeding to check it was safe and that I would not be a hazard. I also said cyclists that starting off from stationary often wobbled from side to side as they set off, and that could be dangerous with traffic accelerating from behind trying to get past.

He accepted my explanation and let me go on my way.
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That’s disappointing. There’s no reason to jumó red lights. It’s the law. Stop in front of them so you can start safely, yes. There is no wonder cyclists have such a bad rep when they try and justify breaking the law.
 
1finny said:
Always think this is a strange one to get quite so uptight about.
Cyclists have great visibility at red light junctions and can easily assess danger.
Yes, it’s illegal, but it’s low risk.

And, stating the obvious, it is car drivers going through red lights that cause, damage and fatalities - not cyclists.
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It adds to the overall feeling that cyclists believe themselves more important than the rest of us. I hate it when people think the rules don’t apply to them. Also I’ve nearly been hit twice on pedestrian crossings by cyclists going through them so it is definitely a pet hate
 
SmallTown said:
It adds to the overall feeling that cyclists believe themselves more important than the rest of us. I hate it when people think the rules don’t apply to them. Also I’ve nearly been hit twice on pedestrian crossings by cyclists going through them so it is definitely a pet hate
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That’s your feeling - you don’t have to accept it.
The ‘law’ - I’m assuming you stick to 70 on motorways....
 
1finny said:
That’s your feeling - you don’t have to accept it.
The ‘law’ - I’m assuming you stick to 70 on motorways....
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Sadly I do. The chance Of getting caught and penalties for speeding are too high now.
I get you on that, I disagree with the speeding limit cars are significantly safer, by an almost comically degree. To how they were when the limit was set. The also handle a lot better and brake and tyre technology is far superior.

Point is it’s the law and it’s a safety feature. Cyclists have this attitude that they are above the law and that really gets my goat. Arguing that they are allowed to go through red lights is the classic example. They don’t car that they are making the roads more difficult for drivers and endangering pedestrians and that’s wrong to me.
 
SmallTown said:
It adds to the overall feeling that cyclists believe themselves more important than the rest of us. I hate it when people think the rules don’t apply to them. Also I’ve nearly been hit twice on pedestrian crossings by cyclists going through them so it is definitely a pet hate
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Majority of cyclists also drive cars, I'm sure.
 
SmallTown said:
Sadly I do. The chance Of getting caught and penalties for speeding are too high now.
I get you on that, I disagree with the speeding limit cars are significantly safer, by an almost comically degree. To how they were when the limit was set. The also handle a lot better and brake and tyre technology is far superior.

Point is it’s the law and it’s a safety feature. Cyclists have this attitude that they are above the law and that really gets my goat. Arguing that they are allowed to go through red lights is the classic example. They don’t car that they are making the roads more difficult for drivers and endangering pedestrians and that’s wrong to me.
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Its not all cyclists. I honestly don't go through red lights. Sometimes I see others doing it I think 'maybe I should and its definitely safe' but I refrain. Not saying this to sound virtuous, but just to highlight that you shouldn't assume its a general feeling amongst all cyclists. If I had my way, I'd happily ride on cyclepaths for the rest of my life and never come within two metres of a car's wheels. Not because I think cyclists are more important but because I think they are *as* important as motorists and pedestrians (of which I am also one), who have an abundance of roads and walkways built for them out of my taxes. We don't actually *want* to be getting in the way of drivers, but we have no choice sometimes because there's nothing else to ride on.

It really is bonkers in the modern age that cycling is still seen as some sort of eccentric hobbie, such that we have to lobby governments to actually build suitable routes for us (and scooters etc). Do they want us out of our cars and getting skinny or what?
 
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