COVID perspective

Londons_Moggie said:
I know 3 people who are challenging their families death certificates as they have Covid-19 as the cause of death, when they died of the long term illnesses they had. Covid was detected when they went to hospital but they showed no signs of the illness. If I know 3 how many others are there with false causes of death out there. I'd imagine 10's of thousands. The numbers are a complete fabrication
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The problem I have with this (and it's not directed at you personally, so please don't take it this way) is that when people say the government are making figures up all around the world, that the number of deaths is a fabrication and Covid is virtually harmless is this; firstly, why would Goverments globally be able to work together to do this when they are often in dispute or at war with other nations, and secondly what is the purpose of doing so? Why would they want to fabricate something like this?
 
Londons_Moggie said:
I know 3 people who are challenging their families death certificates as they have Covid-19 as the cause of death, when they died of the long term illnesses they had. Covid was detected when they went to hospital but they showed no signs of the illness. If I know 3 how many others are there with false causes of death out there. I'd imagine 10's of thousands. The numbers are a complete fabrication
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Of course you do. Quite the coincidence then.
 
WeeGord said:
The problem I have with this (and it's not directed at you personally, so please don't take it this way) is that when people say the government are making figures up all around the world, that the number of deaths is a fabrication and Covid is virtually harmless is this; firstly, why would Goverments globally be able to work together to do this when they are often in dispute or at war with other nations, and secondly what is the purpose of doing so? Why would they want to fabricate something like this?
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We already know the numbers were fabricated. The govt has admitted that at least 5K were wrong, as they were recording all deaths as Covid even if you had it 3 months ago
 
Londons_Moggie said:
We already know the numbers were fabricated. The govt has admitted that at least 5K were wrong, as they were recording all deaths as Covid even if you had it 3 months ago
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Please can you answer the questions I asked though? Not looking for argument just wondering why you feel tens of thousands of deaths through Covid have been fabricated, and how that would be possible? It would take a global conspiracy for all of the world's governments to do this. What would be the result they hoped to gain from it?
 
WeeGord said:
Please can you answer the questions I asked though? Not looking for argument just wondering why you feel tens of thousands of deaths through Covid have been fabricated, and how that would be possible? It would take a global conspiracy for all of the world's governments to do this. What would be the result they hoped to gain from it?
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Disaster capitalists are and will continue to make vast sums of money from this. We start wars for the purposes of disaster capitalism and we are now using a pandemic for the same purposes. A global conspiracy only requires a small number of people to be in on it and controlling it. Governments are not required to start a global conspiracy, they are merely the puppets that are tasked with implementing the rules. As long as people are scared to leave their homes and people wilfully surrender the civil liberties then they become far easier to control. We are not seen as human beings, we are commodities and worker bees that they need a tight grip on
 
Londons_Moggie said:
Disaster capitalists are and will continue to make vast sums of money from this. We start wars for the purposes of disaster capitalism and we are now using a pandemic for the same purposes. A global conspiracy only requires a small number of people to be in on it and controlling it. Governments are not required to start a global conspiracy, they are merely the puppets that are tasked with implementing the rules. As long as people are scared to leave their homes and people wilfully surrender the civil liberties then they become far easier to control. We are not seen as human beings, we are commodities and worker bees that they need a tight grip on
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If you'll forgive me for saying so, but this idea that there is a global conspiracy to somehow make us give up our civil liberties doesn't hold water. Why would the Chinese be involved, they'll gain very little given the lack of freedoms in China. What about North Korea? What do these conspirators gain from reducing our freedoms? Surely that's more likely to lead to an uprising of people against those who control us?

Anecdotal I know, but the only person I know who believes this is a global conspiracy also believe in flat earth and belives Covid is transmitted using 5G. That tells me all I need to know.
 
Listen to the word the news readers word the deaths. 300 people today died after testing positive for covid-19. This does not mean that 300 people died of Covid-19. Every single news outlet uses this same phrasing, as it is a very clever way of making it sound like 300 people died from it
 
Londons_Moggie said:
Listen to the word the news readers word the deaths. 300 people today died after testing positive for covid-19. This does not mean that 300 people died of Covid-19. Every single news outlet uses this same phrasing, as it is a very clever way of making it sound like 300 people died from it
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So the news readers are in on it too? You see, to carry out such a huge conspiracy there have to be thousands upon thousands involved and that's a very conservative estimate. Human nature dictates this wouldn't be possible, and is where a lot of conspiracy theories fall flat.
 
WeeGord said:
If you'll forgive me for saying so, but this idea that there is a global conspiracy to somehow make us give up our civil liberties doesn't hold water. Why would the Chinese be involved, they'll gain very little given the lack of freedoms in China. What about North Korea? What do these conspirators gain from reducing our freedoms? Surely that's more likely to lead to an uprising of people against those who control us?

Anecdotal I know, but the only person I know who believes this is a global conspiracy also believe in flat earth and belives Covid is transmitted using 5G. That tells me all I need to know.
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I don't believe in a flat earth or 5G being the case of covid. If you aren't seriously questioning what is currently going on atm then you real ought to. There has been a real global uprising against the established cliques in recent years. The Trump vote and Brexit are just two big examples of the people fighting back against these established powers and mass globalisation. We needed putting back in our boxes. There's also a lot of uprising in Hong Kong against the Chinese government, so it would suit them too
 
WeeGord said:
So the news readers are in on it too? You see, to carry out such a huge conspiracy there have to be thousands upon thousands involved and that's a very conservative estimate. Human nature dictates this wouldn't be possible, and is where a lot of conspiracy theories fall flat.
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Erm no, but they are clearly being told how to word it, as every single news outlet uses the same phrasing. Listen out for it
 
The mortality rate of 1% is based on known cases, the reality is it’s much much lower when we know the virus can be asymptomatic in a lot of people.

Protect the NHS, buy it time is what we heard when this started, not put your life on hold indefinitely until you lose your job, your home, your livelihood, your business. Who’s fault is it that the government wasted the last 6 months?

It should be lock down care homes, shield the vulnerable and let everyone else get back to life before the country is completely bankrupt.
 
Londons_Moggie said:
I don't believe in a flat earth or 5G being the case of covid. If you aren't seriously questioning what is currently going on atm then you real ought to. There has been a real global uprising against the established cliques in recent years. The Trump vote and Brexit are just two big examples of the people fighting back against these established powers and mass globalisation. We needed putting back in our boxes. There's also a lot of uprising in Hong Kong against the Chinese government, so it would suit them too
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I don't doubt there are freedoms being eroded and that there are great concerns we all need to be mindful of, and for what its worth I don't believe all conspiracy theories are crackpot idiots chucking stupid ideads about... however the sheer scale a coverup like this would require would make it impossible.

You're right to question things but sometimes if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its just a duck... not something dressed up as a duck.
 
WeeGord said:
So the news readers are in on it too? You see, to carry out such a huge conspiracy there have to be thousands upon thousands involved and that's a very conservative estimate. Human nature dictates this wouldn't be possible, and is where a lot of conspiracy theories fall flat.
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One of the largest global conspiracies in human history was less than 20 years ago when a "sexed" up report concluded that Saddam Hussein had WMD's that could hit the UK and US in minutes. This as we know turned out to be compltely fabricated and used to steal oil and Halliburton etc make billions from rebuilding the country. Do you not see how easy it is for a small number of people to convince not just the people but the Governments involved to do their bidding? It doesn't require half thr world to be in on it. The smaller the number the easier it is
 
Londons_Moggie said:
One of the largest global conspiracies in human history was less than 20 years ago when a "sexed" up report concluded that Saddam Hussein had WMD's that could hit the UK and US in minutes. This as we know turned out to be compltely fabricated and used to steal oil and Halliburton etc make billions from rebuilding the country. Do you not see how easy it is for a small number of people to convince not just the people but the Governments involved to do their bidding? It doesn't require half thr world to be in on it. The smaller the number the easier it is
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To compare Covid to Iraq shows is like comparing apples and giraffes. We clearly aren't going to agree here so politely wish you a pleasant evening.
 
In truth I don't really know anyone who isn't adhering to basic compliance.
  • Stay outside as much as is practical
  • Stay as far away from other people as is practical when together
  • Wear a mask in shops
  • As of today there's the new one about 6 people across 2 households and I don't know anyone planning to ignore it (that I know of).
In my experience, the vast majority of people are contributing to the fight. It is unrealistic to go out and about and expect 100% compliance from everyone you see on the street 100% of the time. I might just be 'lucky' but I don't see huge amounts of people who don't seem to care, who lots of people seem to be want to 'blame'. Occasionally I see someone whose mask has slipped down a bit (can happen to us all, correct as soon as you notice), or not wearing one at all (there might be a reason for that), but I also don't know a single person who hasn't breached the rules once in extenuating circumstances, across the 6 month period.
 
WeeGord said:
To compare Covid to Iraq shows is like comparing apples and giraffes. We clearly aren't going to agree here so politely wish you a pleasant evening.
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I'm not comparing Covid to Iraq in any way. I'm using Iraq as an example of how easy it is for the bidding powers to manipulate a situation and the relevant governments to carry out said bidding. I'm not saying Covid isn't real, as it clearly is, but it is suiting higher powers to manipulate this situation to their own agenda.
 
Londons_Moggie said:
I know 3 people who are challenging their families death certificates as they have Covid-19 as the cause of death, when they died of the long term illnesses they had. Covid was detected when they went to hospital but they showed no signs of the illness. If I know 3 how many others are there with false causes of death out there. I'd imagine 10's of thousands. The numbers are a complete fabrication
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So they think the highly trained medics are lying?
Hope they didn’t clap for them - right pack of barstewards they are
 
1finny said:
So they think the highly trained medics are lying?
Hope they didn’t clap for them - right pack of barstewards they are
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We already know that over 5k deaths were wrongly attributed to Covid in the UK. This is a fact. Every person who tested positive for Covid and then died of something else days/weeks/months later had Covid on the death certificate. I've not just made this up this is a FACT
 
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