Covid - Kent strain mutates to South African strain...

Australia will begin rolling out their vaccine in March so it is actually textbook that Perth has gone into lockdown at this point as a safeguard to stop community spread.
It is how track and trace should work, particularly when no one has been vaccinated against the disease in question just yet.
Obviously, we are in a somewhat different situation here with the virus being widespread in the community, but we have to work towards the point where our numbers vaccinated lessens the impact of the virus and we bring the case numbers down to a manageable level where track and trace can be implemented effectively.
Thinking we'll be in perpetual lockdown is as daft as any of the conspiracy theories around 5g etc.
Mask wearing and improved hygiene would be a small price to pay going forward into next winter if it helps stop the spread of infections which, based on this year's flu numbers, it appears to do.
Will our future be different to what we've become accustomed to? Most probably. Will.it be some sort of disease ridden dystopia? Highly unlikely.
 
ChrisTheRed said:
"Less effective" indicating that somethong is not as effective as you would like.

So by nature it could end up being something that does not help as the new strains develop.

I want this all to end but news like this... From SCIENTISTS... is less than favourable.
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I've quoted you the clinical trials figures. You chose to ignore them and thats fine but you need to learn the difference between less effective and not effective. You need to learn about virus transmission and you need to learn about percentages before you spread scare stories.
 
SmallTown said:
I've quoted you the clinical trials figures. You chose to ignore them and thats fine but you need to learn the difference between less effective and not effective. You need to learn about virus transmission and you need to learn about percentages before you spread scare stories.
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I haven shared a piece of news that including information from scientists...

If you call that scaremongering then 🤷🏽‍♂️
 
ChrisTheRed said:
I haven shared a piece of news that including information from scientists...

If you call that scaremongering then 🤷🏽‍♂️
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Blokes a hypocrite I wouldn't worry. He's happy to comment on another vaccine thread by spanishman questioning the length between the Pfizer jabs, because that fits his anti government agenda. Picks and chooses when he is outraged based on the individual who shared. Boards full of them
 
I’m increasingly coming to the conclusion that we need to accept that we may never ‘beat’ this virus. Certainly not in the short term.

The virus has only been around for around for just over a year and already there have been mutations that have made those variants more transmissible than the original. When we have rolled out the vaccine, the virus will come under even greater pressure to mutate in order to survive, and it is probable that one or more of those mutations will have some level of success in circumventing the current vaccine.

Now, it’s important that we keep this in perspective. None of the above means that we should be fearful about the virus killing anywhere near as many people as in its first 12 months, nor are we destined to stay in lockdown forever.

It may well become like the flu virus, where we immunise our most vulnerable population each year against the strains which scientists believe will be the most prevalent. The rest of society then gets on with life and we accept that there will be ‘good’ flu seasons and ‘bad’ ones.

Who knows, it may even be that Covid replaces the flu as the dominant winter respiratory disease.
 
Billy Horner said:
I’m increasingly coming to the conclusion that we need to accept that we may never ‘beat’ this virus. Certainly not in the short term.

The virus has only been around for around for just over a year and already there have been mutations that have made those variants more transmissible than the original. When we have rolled out the vaccine, the virus will come under even greater pressure to mutate in order to survive, and it is probable that one or more of those mutations will have some level of success in circumventing the current vaccine.

Now, it’s important that we keep this in perspective. None of the above means that we should be fearful about the virus killing anywhere near as many people as in its first 12 months, nor are we destined to stay in lockdown forever.

It may well become like the flu virus, where we immunise our most vulnerable population each year against the strains which scientists believe will be the most prevalent. The rest of society then gets on with life and we accept that there will be ‘good’ flu seasons and ‘bad’ ones.

Who knows, it may even be that Covid replaces the flu as the dominant winter respiratory disease.
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Very likely a balanced viewpoint Billy.
 
Billy Horner said:
I’m increasingly coming to the conclusion that we need to accept that we may never ‘beat’ this virus. Certainly not in the short term.

The virus has only been around for around for just over a year and already there have been mutations that have made those variants more transmissible than the original. When we have rolled out the vaccine, the virus will come under even greater pressure to mutate in order to survive, and it is probable that one or more of those mutations will have some level of success in circumventing the current vaccine.

Now, it’s important that we keep this in perspective. None of the above means that we should be fearful about the virus killing anywhere near as many people as in its first 12 months, nor are we destined to stay in lockdown forever.

It may well become like the flu virus, where we immunise our most vulnerable population each year against the strains which scientists believe will be the most prevalent. The rest of society then gets on with life and we accept that there will be ‘good’ flu seasons and ‘bad’ ones.

Who knows, it may even be that Covid replaces the flu as the dominant winter respiratory disease.
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There's a nice explanation of surface protein mutation (what we're seeing with coronavirus) and antigenic drift and then shift (what we see with influenza due to its inability to proofread RNA replication) here

The coronavirus vaccines should be easier to manipulate than dealing with what is effectively a new flu virus each year.
 
Also my view.

Given the prevalence of the virus globally surely it would be foolhardy to suggest eradication? Therefore we need a strategy that allows us to live with its presence in the long term and a regular process of vaccines (responding to mutations) would seem to be best placed to deliver that.

The only area which may become difficult to manage is international travel, and to that end I can understand the change in strategy at government level of recent weeks with regards to travel (although it is clearly around 12 months too late).
 
ChrisTheRed said:
So are the scientists in on this with the government then?
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Not all of them but the likes of Witty, Van Tam etc are enjoying their 15 mins of fame. With Boris totally disregarding the advice they’ve been giving him for a year anyone with an ounce of professional integrity would have resigned by rather than parrot government soundbites!
 
Randy said:
I'm using Perth as an example not this country or death totals.
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Perth shut down not because of one case. It was because that particular case had been moving significantly tnrough the community before being found. So the argument is not one case per se. It’s how many cases could arise as a result. It’s this kind of thinking that we need not blind stats analysis. It’s about an effective track and trace system. NZ were able to avoid lockdown last week because they have an effective track and trace system when one community case was found.
 
ChrisTheRed said:
I haven shared a piece of news that including information from scientists...

If you call that scaremongering then 🤷🏽‍♂️
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Whilst ignoring my attempts to correct you by quoting the efficacy results from the trial. You seem to ignore every time I bring facts in to the conversation
 
SmallTown said:
Whilst ignoring my attempts to correct you by quoting the efficacy results from the trial. You seem to ignore every time I bring facts in to the conversation
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Much like you ignore me when the same happens then... 👀

The scientists are the ones saying this. Not Me. So maybe they should apologise to you...
 
ChrisTheRed said:
Much like you ignore me when the same happens then... 👀

The scientists are the ones saying this. Not Me. So maybe they should apologise to you...
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Scientists are saying it’s “less effecitve” you were the one misunderstanding that. The misunderstanding I can understand it’s when you ignore all the people trying to correct you and continue scare mongering that’s hard to take
 
I see PHE are now stating they have detected samples that might help it evade the immune system.

Are they now scaremongering? 🤔
 
ChrisTheRed said:
I see PHE are now stating they have detected samples that might help it evade the immune system.

Are they now scaremongering? 🤔
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Source? Of the South africa variant or a new variant?

You're so desperate to prove your scaremongering correct are you mixing up news stories?
 
SmallTown said:
Source? Of the South africa variant or a new variant?

You're so desperate to prove your scaremongering correct are you mixing up news stories?
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It isn't scaremongering if the information comes from reputable sources... You just don't like not being right.
 
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