Covid - Kent strain mutates to South African strain...

fmttmadmin said:
Chris - I ask you to think carefully before you post.
Look up the top can you see the sticky thread about You Are Not Alone - we are trying to look after people's mental health here.
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I appreciate that, I am indeed also a person that is struggling with all this, but I can find solice at times in discussing things.

If I'm wrong then I don't mind it. But what I don't like is when people slag you off.
 
Randy said:
Can you see any evidence to say we won't be in any form of lockdown or restrictions for the rest of life?
Perth went into lockdown because one case was found. Whitty has already said restrictions may be needed next winter so that's pretty much a given then. We are told they don't know if getting vaccinated stops the spread of the virus, wouldn't that have been a handy thing to try and find during the process of development? Of course of the vaccine prevents hospital admissions and deaths that's superb but those on charge will be looking at the what ifs.

Sorry but these last few days have shown me that those in charge of running the country and those who are giving advice to those running the country have no other strategy other than lockdown.
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Perth have been covid free for months and living with far more freedoms than we have been for the last year, and in 5 days time after their lockdown is over they will be back to those freedoms again. Would much rather live like that than what we are currently having to live with, because we act a month too late on everything.

If we have some sort of restrictions this winter thats hardly living like this for the rest of our lives though is it? Highly doubt the restrictions will be anything like what we currently have
 
ChrisTheRed said:
Well if the vaccine doesn't work to cover the new strains which the scientists are talking about then do you think they will just lift us from lockdown life?

If they find out it does indeed not cover the new strains then we will remain as we are. To think otherwise would be silly.
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Who's saying it doesn't work, reports that it might be less effective but nothing to suggest it just wont work.

Again though regardless of that, you read the forum and see how some are struggling with this, look at the replies to some of your other threads to see the damage misinformation like this can do to people
 
JM14 said:
Perth have been covid free for months and living with far more freedoms than we have been for the last year, and in 5 days time after their lockdown is over they will be back to those freedoms again. Would much rather live like that than what we are currently having to live with, because we act a month too late on everything.
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Unfortunately too many here look at short term solutions which means them not being put out, particularly those in government.

They're in government to make hard decisions, they have proved incapable from the kick off.

Their poor decision making backed by many moaning about the length of isolation we're now having to go through.
 
JM14 said:
Perth have been covid free for months and living with far more freedoms than we have been for the last year, and in 5 days time after their lockdown is over they will be back to those freedoms again. Would much rather live like that than what we are currently having to live with, because we act a month too late on everything.

If we have some sort of restrictions this winter thats hardly living like this for the rest of our lives though is it? Highly doubt the restrictions will be anything like what we currently have
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Have you read what you you've just wrote?
You are happy to have everything stopped at the drop of a hat because of ONE case? Do you not see how that can be taken advantage of?
What's the point of ANY business that is currently forced to close, reopening again when allowed if just ONE case that could come from anywhere at anytime shuts them down again?

Do you not see how insane that idea of 'life' is?
 
JM14 said:
Who's saying it doesn't work, reports that it might be less effective but nothing to suggest it just wont work.

Again though regardless of that, you read the forum and see how some are struggling with this, look at the replies to some of your other threads to see the damage misinformation like this can do to people
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"Less effective" indicating that somethong is not as effective as you would like.

So by nature it could end up being something that does not help as the new strains develop.

I want this all to end but news like this... From SCIENTISTS... is less than favourable.
 
The article I read missed the point a bit which is are these new strains more lethal? If these new strains are mutations that spread just as easy but are less deadly then the virus is evolving to survive, which is good news for us all as we’ll live with it as we do the flu. A lot of articles lack nuance and paint gloomier pictures than may actually exist, the lack the data and think worst case.

If this impacts your mental health which I can understand why in some case it will, don’t read them. There is a hell of a lot of trial and error at the minute, sometimes best to ignore the earlier articles.
 
zorro_mfc said:
What are you basing this on, as it stands since last year we’ve sadly lost over 100k people to this so how can you still talk about just one case.
ITS NOT just one case.
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I'm using Perth as an example not this country or death totals.
 
Randy said:
Have you read what you you've just wrote?
You are happy to have everything stopped at the drop of a hat because of ONE case? Do you not see how that can be taken advantage of?
What's the point of ANY business that is currently forced to close, reopening again when allowed if just ONE case that could come from anywhere at anytime shuts them down again?

Do you not see how insane that idea of 'life' is?
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They are shut down for 5 days, how can you not see this as a good idea? Especially when a vaccine is ready and being used

Is the UK alternative of no action until its too late then a 12 week full lock down along with thousands of deaths a better idea?

This time next week the people of Perth will be living a normal life again, whilst we are looking at another two months of living like this
 
JM14 said:
They are shut down for 5 days, how can you not see this as a good idea? Especially when a vaccine is ready and being used

Is the UK alternative of no action until its too late then a 12 week full lock down along with thousands of deaths a better idea?

This time next week the people of Perth will be living a normal life again, whilst we are looking at another two months of living like this
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5 days?
Forgive me for not believing if that would be the case in this country as we were once told 3 weeks. Nearly a year later....

Are businesses getting financial assistance throughout those 5 days? Or will the loss in trade be covered by insurances?
 
Randy said:
Have you read what you you've just wrote?
You are happy to have everything stopped at the drop of a hat because of ONE case? Do you not see how that can be taken advantage of?
What's the point of ANY business that is currently forced to close, reopening again when allowed if just ONE case that could come from anywhere at anytime shuts them down again?

Do you not see how insane that idea of 'life' is?
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@Randy, it's you that doesn't seem to get it., what @JM14 has wrote makes perfect sense.

The idea is if you go extreme on one case for 5 days (similar level to what we're doing now, but not timed the same), it means you don't have to go half assed for 5 months. Eradication or prevention are far easier to manage (for the population) than working through it. It's called being proactive, and every nation that's been proactive has been better for it. You just think lockdowns are bad as you're living in a location where they're used in a reactive manor, which is nowhere near as effective.

Anyone would swap what we have had to be in the same situation as Australia or New Zealand, or they would/ should, if looking at the bigger picture.

A lock-down doesn't mean the world stops, it still functions for a large percentage and then when the lock downs are lifted, a lot of the "lockdown loss" gets recouped as a sort of bounce back. That doesn't happen in all industries, but it's what is there to protect the majority.

It's hard on some industries, but this has to be done, as the two alternatives are a messed up 5 months of lockdowns (which is $hit, for everyone) or years of overwhelming the NHS (which is completely unacceptable to anyone).

There is not "good" solution, just a case of picking what is "least bad".
 
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Randy said:
5 days?
Forgive me for not believing if that would be the case in this country as we were once told 3 weeks. Nearly a year later....

Are businesses getting financial assistance throughout those 5 days? Or will the loss in trade be covered by insurances?
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brisbane found a case and locked down for 3 days then reopened again. No reason to suggest this will go on longer than five days for Perth. Pretty much the reason Australia are barely seeing any cases, as we have seen in the UK if action is taken too late the damage is already done
 
Randy said:
5 days?
Forgive me for not believing if that would be the case in this country as we were once told 3 weeks. Nearly a year later....

Are businesses getting financial assistance throughout those 5 days? Or will the loss in trade be covered by insurances?
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We've never had a proactive lockdown in this country, that's not the fault of lockdown and it does not make Australia's policy worse than the alternatives.

Mathematically and economically, being proactive it's the most sound, assuming the "overwhelming healthcare" option is not valid, which it isn't, as the entire world agrees.

The assistance is a different argument, and poor business assistance does not make the lockdown economically invalid, it's just another case of the government not looking after those who need it (but the people voted this government in, and should know that's what they do). Same with insurance, that's down to the insurers, it's not a stick to beat the lockdown with, as the alternatives are worse economically, or not humane.
 
Randy said:
Have you read what you you've just wrote?
You are happy to have everything stopped at the drop of a hat because of ONE case? Do you not see how that can be taken advantage of?
What's the point of ANY business that is currently forced to close, reopening again when allowed if just ONE case that could come from anywhere at anytime shuts them down again?

Do you not see how insane that idea of 'life' is?
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and if it turns out the vaccines are not as effective as first thought your alternative is what?
 
DearChicago said:
The article I read missed the point a bit which is are these new strains more lethal? If these new strains are mutations that spread just as easy but are less deadly then the virus is evolving to survive, which is good news for us all as we’ll live with it as we do the flu. A lot of articles lack nuance and paint gloomier pictures than may actually exist, the lack the data and think worst case.

If this impacts your mental health which I can understand why in some case it will, don’t read them. There is a hell of a lot of trial and error at the minute, sometimes best to ignore the earlier articles.
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The reports come from PHE report Investigation of novel SARS Variant of Concern. The virus hasn't changed, just the mutation to the E484K spike protein.
 
JM14 said:
brisbane found a case and locked down for 3 days then reopened again. No reason to suggest this will go on longer than five days for Perth. Pretty much the reason Australia are barely seeing any cases, as we have seen in the UK if action is taken too late the damage is already done
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We might look at pre-Christmas London as a perfect example of this.
 
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