Covid deniers and anti maskers

Londons_Moggie said:
Who’s kicking who? Read the OP and subsequent replies. The fact is that many on the remain side can’t let things go and have had their minds infected with hate towards those people they have been brainwashed into believing are intellectually and morally beneath them. That’s how a racists mind works. Unfortunately there is no vaccination for their infection
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I can't argue that there is a certain strand of former remain voter who holds wrongheaded opinions about Brexit voters. But do you think this is true of ALL remain voters?

If not, then why use the catch all term remainers?

Also - do you not think that perhaps, now that Brexit has been won in its totality that there might be some room for magnanimity? People have had a significant part of their identity taken from them, are anxious about their and their children's future opportunities. It might be time to pause and build a few bridges.


If you hold such a low opinion of 48% of the country, how do you think the UK can possibly succeed outside the EU? Especially when the majority of the working age people charged with making it a success are part of that 48% (or had no say at all).
 
SmallTown said:
Just because you can't see the correlation doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Surely even you can admit that brexit was voted for on emotions rather than rationale thought. One example I can think of is restrictions on freedom of movement. Its not rationale or sensible to want to restrict your own freedom of movement. However if you are of a certain mindset then you think that's a price to pay to restrict the movement of others.
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All Labour voters are anti semites and hate Jews. Enough of a sweeping generalisation? Just because you don’t see the correlation doesn’t mean it isn’t true
 
Londons_Moggie said:
The fact is that many on the remain side can’t let things go and have had their minds infected with hate towards those people they have been brainwashed into believing are intellectually and morally beneath them. That’s how a racists mind works.
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Ah, false equivalence.

Utter nonsense. More good news on Brexit as paperwork reduced in City of London as Amsterdam overtakes London as top share trading hub. (FT)

Truly a sunlit upland, what's not to let go of?
 
SmallTown said:
That's what I'm trying to get across. People who are anti mask and anti vax either ignore science or try and argue against it. Brexit has a similar mindset. All reasonable arguments about the financial cost are ignored and argued against with ill thought out and nonsensical comments about migration or sovereignty.
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Exactly this.

There's a lot of people that don't seem to like science (when it suits them, or their agenda), don't like experts, don't like facts or just do not have a grasp on numbers. The correlation between these and FRNJ's is massive.

Nearly everyone in my circle of friends fully supports science, trusts economic/ trade experts view on Brexit, trust the facts on covid numbers, on mask-wearing, vaccines etc. In those groups, I don't know one racist, not a single one and the split Labour to Tory is probably 90/10. Most of my friends are well paid or have jobs which require a decent level of education, mostly work as teachers, nurses, doctors, web developers, accountants or run businesses etc. Seemingly their other friends and colleagues also think in similar ways to me and them.
 
Muttley said:
Except you have chosen badly, more false equivalence.
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Except I haven’t you just think I have. That’s your issue and the reason your everyday is hatefilled and mine isnt. I’m happy for you to have your choice you just don’t believe I should unless it matches yours. Enjoy your day Muttley. Try some meditation it might help
 
Londons_Moggie said:
Except I haven’t you just think I have. That’s your issue and the reason your everyday is hatefilled and mine isnt. I’m happy for you to have your choice you just don’t believe I should unless it matches yours. Enjoy your day Muttley. Try some meditation it might help
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I always find this argument weird. Someone disagrees with you so they a hate filled and resentful and you're some sort of zen master. It's silly at best. Utterly incorrect at worst. Mane people have had plenty of rationale and reasonable reasons of why they think brexit is a bad idea. You can't argue you can't argue against them so you just ignore the arguments and claim everyone other than you is just angry. I guess it helps prove my claim that brexiteers base decisions on emotion and are incapable or unwillingly to use rationale thought. Either way I always think it odd. I guess it's the best way to argue if you don't actually have facts to back you up, attack the person you're arguing with rather than the subject matter.
 
SmallTown said:
I always find this argument weird. Someone disagrees with you so they a hate filled and resentful and you're some sort of zen master. It's silly at best. Utterly incorrect at worst. Mane people have had plenty of rationale and reasonable reasons of why they think brexit is a bad idea. You can't argue you can't argue against them so you just ignore the arguments and claim everyone other than you is just angry. I guess it helps prove my claim that brexiteers base decisions on emotion and are incapable or unwillingly to use rationale thought. Either way I always think it odd. I guess it's the best way to argue if you don't actually have facts to back you up, attack the person you're arguing with rather than the subject matter.
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I’ve spent 4 years listening to the other sides arguments. I was once on that side but after extensive research changed my mind. I have many family and friends who voted remain and I have no problem with that as I have no problem with your decision. But their is an unnecessary amount of vitriolic hate becoming the accepted norm. That’s not a good position
 
Londons_Moggie said:
I’ve spent 4 years listening to the other sides arguments. I was once on that side but after extensive research changed my mind. I have many family and friends who voted remain and I have no problem with that as I have no problem with your decision. But their is an unnecessary amount of vitriolic hate becoming the accepted norm. That’s not a good position
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This isn't hate though. You're deflecting from the conversation.
I'll reiterate it so your deflection doesn't work: The same anti science anti fact thought process that leads to anti vaxxing and anti masking seems to have a close correlation with the emotional decision making and lack of rationale thought that led to people thinking brexit is a good idea. This is evidenced by any trawl of social media where the overwhelming majority of anti mastkers are also brexiteers.

Yes or no?
 
magic said:
Why is it that on Twitter the people who are for ruining our kid’s education and future, creating a mental health crisis, shutting small business and hospitality always have pronouns, FBPE/BLM and a mask (sometimes 2) picture in their bio?? Do left wingers love being controlled by an authoritarian government?? Strange one
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Blame this government and the people not complying and spreading misinformation, which is dragging this out even longer than it needs to for ruining our kids education

Usually the ones with a British flag in their bio.......
 
SmallTown said:
This isn't hate though. You're deflecting from the conversation.
I'll reiterate it so you deflection doesn't work: The same anti science anti fact thought process that leads to anti vaxxing and anti masking seems to have a close correlation with the emotional decision making and lack of rationale thought that led to people thinking brexit is a good idea. This is evidenced by any trawl of social media where the overwhelming majority of anti mastkers are also brexiteers.

Yes or no?
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I genuinely have no idea. I haven’t bothered to try and find a correlation. I don’t have the time or inclination to look for things like that.Most anti vaxxers are apparently ethnic minorities according to the media.
 
Londons_Moggie said:
I genuinely have no idea. I haven’t bothered to try and find a correlation. I don’t have the time or inclination to look for things like that.Most anti vaxxers are apparently ethnic minorities according to the media.
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I would disagree with that final statement. I've seen no evidence of it.

As I have mentioned though I've seen A LOT of evidence that anti maskers also have GB flags on their twitter profiles and also post anti EU posts.

Just because you choose to ignore it doesn't mean it isn't there. Which, let's face it, is a statement that can be used a lot when having a debate with a brexiteer!
 
SmallTown said:
I would disagree with that final statement. I've seen no evidence of it.

As I have mentioned though I've seen A LOT of evidence that anti maskers also have GB flags on their twitter profiles and also post anti EU posts.

Just because you choose to ignore it doesn't mean it isn't there. Which, let's face it, is a statement that can be used a lot when having a debate with a brexiteer!
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I guess that only 48% of the population will be taking the vaccine then rather than the 85% predicted
 
SmallTown said:
I would disagree with that final statement. I've seen no evidence of it.

As I have mentioned though I've seen A LOT of evidence that anti maskers also have GB flags on their twitter profiles and also post anti EU posts.

Just because you choose to ignore it doesn't mean it isn't there. Which, let's face it, is a statement that can be used a lot when having a debate with a brexiteer!
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Where is this "evidence"

Is it the same "evidence" you took from various social media platforms to come to a conclusion on brexiteers and when asked to publish it disappeared off the face of the earth??? Most likely

Give it a rest, you and the rest you and other band of unmerry men desperately seeking another way to try and have a pop at a percentage of the population for exercising their democratic right in a vote.

7 pages of unsubstantiated rubbish. Grow up and try and enjoy life instead of wollowing about a vote that happened 5 years ago.
 
This is an absolute given. The deniers and anti maskers are by and large those who supported Brexit and lean towards 'making Britain great again' (without ever saying when it was great and why), many leapt on the Boris bandwagon of anti Corbyn rhetoric that now has us in this woeful position.

They'll always be at the front of campaigns such as Help for Heroes, whilst supporting policies that puts people into poverty, evidenced in the bank booming more than any other, the food bank.

And they haven't the sense to link struggling business to increased wealth inequality, the more tightly you squeeze an ever increasing circle of the population the tougher it's going to get for business.

They'll always find their excuses for voting for the increasing hardship of their family and neighbours, it was Michael Foot's sense of dress at one time but we have a less well manicured PM now so we're down to the brother of a former leader of the opposition.

Can we really take these fruit loops seriously?
 
Londons_Moggie said:
I guess that only 48% of the population will be taking the vaccine then rather than the 85% predicted
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That's a false equivalence. I hate to bring science into a brexit debate but the amount of people to be vaccinated is 66.5 million. The amount of people who voted in the referendum is half that. So your percentages don't work.

Vaccination isn't an advisory referendum that everyone can opt out of if they wish. Its something the government should be given to everyone who is capable of having it.

Nice try though. Throwing figures into an argument always makes it seem valid. Even if the figures are nonsensical.
 
You are describing a large percentage of the populace, CtC.

Why must we take the position of looking down at those who hold views contrary to our own? Try to understand their position and the circumstances that have led to those beliefs. Direct your energy towards changing those systems. You will soon find yourself powerless to do so however. It is much less gratifying than asserting your intellectual superiority over fellow man. Repeatedly. For years.
 
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