Corbyn won't be a Labour candidate at General Election

[Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret]

As much as it’s a shame that labour are softening their socialist side, I stil feel the best option for getting rid of the tel problem in this country, the conservatives, is to vote labour…

Voting green anywhere but Brighton is a wasted vote, unless all opposition parties get together and co-ordinate their campaign against the tories…

Nonsense. A wasted vote is one for a party whose values I do not share. I will wait to see the manifesto. I fully expect it to be a very conservative one.

This attitude is one of the reasons politics is such a bust here. People just vote for the main two parties. I despair at people who go on and on about Tories being scum and suchlike who then go on to vote labour. The lack of self awareness is staggering.

 

[bumface]

Nonsense. A wasted vote is one for a party whose values I do not share. I will wait to see the manifesto. I fully expect it to be a very conservative one.

This attitude is one of the reasons politics is such a bust here. People just vote for the main two parties. I despair at people who go on and on about Tories being scum and suchlike who then go on to vote labour. The lack of self awareness is staggering.

If there was an election tomorrow I wouldn't vote at all. I can't support any of them as things stand. Not even the greens.

 

[xxlshirts_fit_all]

Nonsense. A wasted vote is one for a party whose values I do not share. I will wait to see the manifesto. I fully expect it to be a very conservative one.

This attitude is one of the reasons politics is such a bust here. People just vote for the main two parties. I despair at people who go on and on about Tories being scum and suchlike who then go on to vote labour. The lack of self awareness is staggering.

you’re obviously entitled to that opinion… personally I’d rather not have the current shower win another term, even if it meant going against my principle.. in this case it’s not… lesser of 2 evils is surely the better option until we get the ball rolling in the right direction… it’s a slow moving juggernaught that can’t be turned over night

 

[Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret]

I mean I mocked and laughed at the change party as much as the next person. But you'd think that after all the incessant whining about Brexit at least one of you ******* would have voted for them. But no. You all clung to your safety blankets. I think that bucketface bloke got more votes than them.

 

[HolgateCorner]

These threads are always interesting in that you can’t tell who is genuine and who is just stirring and I do have sympathy just now with any decent Tories out there in their hour of desperation.

Labour are a compromise like any serious political party because life is a compromise and nobody gets everything they want.

But the next election is the most important in my lifetime because it’s the opportunity to get rid of the crooks and chancers who have taken over the Tory Party and the U.K. government. A number of them should be in jail and that may happen yet.

Only Labour can get them out, and increasingly it’s becoming irrelevant who the Labour leader is because the need for change is so urgent.

 

[bumface]

These threads are always interesting in that you can’t tell who is genuine and who is just stirring and I do have sympathy just now with any decent Tories out there in their hour of desperation.

Labour are a compromise like any serious political party because life is a compromise and nobody gets everything they want.

But the next election is the most important in my lifetime because it’s the opportunity to get rid of the crooks and chancers who have taken over the Tory Party and the U.K. government. A number of them should be in jail and that may happen yet.

Only Labour can get them out, and increasingly it’s becoming irrelevant who the Labour leader is because the need for change is so urgent.

The need for change has been urgent for a very long time. We could have had that change back in 2017. Voting in a Starmer led Labour Party won't change anything in any meaningful way.

 

[Redwurzel]

Those saying Corbyn was a poor MP are completely wrong.

He increased the Labour vote in his mainly middle class constinuency from around 40% in 1983 to 73% in 2017 which must be close to a record. If he was lazy etc he would not have achieved this.

Alot of voters on Teesside are not really left wing - that is not a criticism, just an observation I picked up when I was younger and from relatives. I am not saying they are right wing, but they are pretty conservative with a small c. Its not just recently neither I am going back nearly 100 years. Ellen Wilkinson a very good and passionate socialist candidate was well defeated in Middlesbrough East in the late 1920s which I guess was North Ormesby, South Bank, Cargo Fleet etc, solid working class areas. EW was Labour Minister for education and introduced school meals, grammar schools that were free, free school milk and helped start the NHS. Many on here than went to a state school from 1947 to 1974 benefitted from what she established. EW marched with the Jarrow Crusade she would have supported regional levelling up.

The media campaign against Corbyn was the most vindictive I have ever seen. Quite a few Labour MPs just stood by and showed no interest in protecting or helping him. It almost felt he was the Ellen Wilkinson of the modern era.

 

[Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret]

These threads are always interesting in that you can’t tell who is genuine and who is just stirring and I do have sympathy just now with any decent Tories out there in their hour of desperation.

Labour are a compromise like any serious political party because life is a compromise and nobody gets everything they want.

But the next election is the most important in my lifetime because it’s the opportunity to get rid of the crooks and chancers who have taken over the Tory Party and the U.K. government. A number of them should be in jail and that may happen yet.

Only Labour can get them out, and increasingly it’s becoming irrelevant who the Labour leader is because the need for change is so urgent.

There is a point at which you compromise so much that you just become that bloke who despises Brexit yet still voted for the Tories.

 

[Maury_Povich]

What Corbyn - and Nicola Sturgeon - did is introduce reality into the political bubble. The arguments of all of them, from Johnson to Balls to May to Mandelson via Toynbee, Alison Pearson, Kuenssberg and Peston and Neil and Fox and Ferrari, Farage, Blair, Murray, Morgan, Reeves, Murdoch, Hannan, Sunak, Dacre, Osbourne, Hague, Gove, Patel, Salmond, all the editors who commission all of this lazy, offensive bigoted dogshit printed and spoken every single day - it does not stand up to any sort of scrutiny.

And this is why they have closed ranks and made sure Corbyn can never, ever happen again. That movement, it must be crushed. We would rather go to war with Russia, or petrol bomb asylum seekers, than have that happen ever again.

As for Starmer, well forgive me if I’m not applauding someone for standing up in front of Union Jacks while repeatedly lying to my face.

So you're happy to keep a Tory government?

No - but that will be the case whether Starmer is PM or not.

 

[HolgateCorner]

The need for change has been urgent for a very long time. We could have had that change back in 2017. Voting in a Starmer led Labour Party won't change anything in any meaningful way.

I disagree, regardless of left leaning or right leaning the country first and foremost needs rid of the criminals currently running the government and the Tory party. The working people of this country do not deserve to live in a bent and failing economy

We nearly did get the change in 2017 but Corbyn couldn’t get over the line, he induced a fear factor which galvanised a big Tory turnout for May even though she didn’t deserve it. The media did a job on him and unfortunately they are powerful in forming opinion.

 

[HolgateCorner]

There is a point at which you compromise so much that you just become that bloke who despises Brexit yet still voted for the Tories.

Labour supporters have made no compromises at all since 2010 because the Tories have been running the country into the ground.

 

[bumface]

I disagree, regardless of left leaning or right leaning the country first and foremost needs rid of the criminals currently running the government and the Tory party. The working people of this country do not deserve to live in a bent and failing economy

We nearly did get the change in 2017 but Corbyn couldn’t get over the line, he induced a fear factor which galvanised a big Tory turnout for May even though she didn’t deserve it. The media did a job on him and unfortunately they are powerful in forming opinion.

If people had actually bothered to read the manifesto and listened to Corbyn speak there would have been no 'fear factor'. The media destroyed him and he had half of his own party doing everything they could to sabotage the election and a gullible electorate lapped up all of the lies and the smears.

 

[Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret]

Corbyn did well in London because of his housing policy. That wouldn't play well in areas that don't have such pressure on housing such as the north east.

If you have a very progressive policy supporting renter's, building shitloads of council housing and trying to stop runaway house prices you gain the support of those who need houses but lose the support of those who already have houses.

It's why I find the whole broad church thing a nonsense really. People have competing interests and you can't be everything to everyone.

I also want it be seen that there is support for my values. I don't want to hear from people that left wing policies are doomed and vote losers. A vote for a conservative labour party would bolster this view.

 

[Muttley]

he had half of his own party doing everything they could to sabotage the election

This isn't true. As I said there were undoubtedly "plotters" working against Corbyn, there always are in any party but it was a long way short of "half". However, even if it was, a "Leader" who cannot "lead" his party is unlikely ever to lead the country.

People have competing interests and you can't be everything to everyone.

Of course not. But, similarly you cannot expect any party to perfectly mirror your own expectations and beliefs. The example you gave earlier of the "Change Party" perfectly illustrated this. Albeit not in the way you thought it did.

 

[bumface]

This isn't true. As I said there were undoubtedly "plotters" working against Corbyn, there always are in any party but it was a long way short of "half". However, even if it was, a "Leader" who cannot "lead" his party is unlikely ever to lead the country.

Cobblers.

 

[r00fie1]

It's all there if you can be bothered. Hated Corbyn and the result was 100% his fault. Outside the clique you seem to inhabit he was as popular as herpes

"Hate" is an irrational emotion - founded in ignorance and fear.
"Clique" ?
Dont make assumptions about others to fit your own opinions.
"Hated Corbyn" is a euphemism for "Hating Socialism".
Its not Jeremy Corbyn, the man, whom you have any hatred for - but the politics he represents:-

For the many not the few.
An ethical foreign policy.
Increased social spending on public works - housing.
Ensuring that a roof over your head shouldnt depend on how much is in someones wallet.
Repeal of the "right to buy".
A policy of enablement and redistribution of wealth to those who create the wealth.
Re Nationalisation of all the public utilities, including the Railways and Nationalising the NHS - taking all our services back from private profiteers, like Centrica [for example].
Restoring cuts in Adult Social Care and providing a better quality of life to the vulnerable, the young, the disabled: giving back the respect, dignity and compassion which we all deserve.
Providing support to the three million children in poverty and free school meals for those less well off: No child going school hungry.
Abolirtion of zero-hours contracts and restoration of rights for all workers.
Planned growth - based on macro structural assessments and planning - with power to implement structural improvement based on the localities - on Local Government - who know the demographics and the needs of our people.

Those who recall the late 60s and the 70s will remember the Conservative Prime - Minister [Edward Heath] telling the House of Commons he would not support "lame duck" industries with state money - and then promptly nationalised Rolls Royce - who were a major contractor for the Ministry of Defence - and in financial trouble.

Those in politics [anyone] who use hate, lies, smears, rhetoric, conflagatory language, violence, intimidation and subversion, are a threat to democracy.

There can be no democracy without dissent.

To quote Tony Benn:

I try not to make political arguments personal. It doesn't help and it switches a lot of people off. The real questions: Will we have peace? Will we have justice? Will we have pensions? Will we have free education? Will we have public services? .... those are the sort of things which interest me. I don't think that having a go at individuals really helps get your point across apart from anything else.

 

[bumface]

"Hate" is an irrational emotion - founded in ignorance and fear.
"Clique" ?
Dont make assumptions about others to fit your own opinions.
"Hated Corbyn" is a euphemism for "Hating Socialism".
Its not Jeremy Corbyn, the man, whom you have any hatred for - but the politics he represents:-

For the many not the few.
An ethical foreign policy.
Increased social spending on public works - housing.
Ensuring that a roof over your head shouldnt depend on how much is in someones wallet.
Repeal of the "right to buy".
A policy of enablement and redistribution of wealth to those who create the wealth.
Re Nationalisation of all the public utilities, including the Railways and Nationalising the NHS - taking all our services back from private profiteers, like Centrica [for example].
Restoring cuts in Adult Social Care and providing a better quality of life to the vulnerable, the young, the disabled: giving back the respect, dignity and compassion which we all deserve.
Providing support to the three million children in poverty and free school meals for those less well off: No child going school hungry.
Abolirtion of zero-hours contracts and restoration of rights for all workers.
Planned growth - based on macro structural assessments and planning - with power to implement structural improvement based on the localities - on Local Government - who know the demographics and the needs of our people.

Those who recall the late 60s and the 70s will remember the Conservative Prime - Minister [Edward Heath] telling the House of Commons he would not support "lame duck" industries with state money - and then promptly nationalised Rolls Royce - who were a major contractor for the Ministry of Defence - and in financial trouble.

Those in politics [anyone] who use hate, lies, smears, rhetoric, conflagatory language, violence, intimidation and subversion, are a threat to democracy.

There can be no democracy without dissent.

To quote Tony Benn:

I try not to make political arguments personal. It doesn't help and it switches a lot of people off. The real questions: Will we have peace? Will we have justice? Will we have pensions? Will we have free education? Will we have public services? .... those are the sort of things which interest me. I don't think that having a go at individuals really helps get your point across apart from anything else.

So that's at least two of us who read the manifesto then.

 

[r00fie1]

So that's at least two of us who read the manifesto then.

I made a hole in the Liberal Democrat and Tory Manifesto - and hung them on a nail next to the s******** door

 

[bumface]

I made a hole in the Liberal Democrat and Tory Manifesto - and hung them on a nail next to the s******** door

I always have to admire your calm and polite persona on here roofie. You don't get as angry as I do when you're talking about politics. I'm guessing that you were at the 'kinder and gentler politics' and 'tolerant left' meeting. I skipped that one. I was busy washing the dog's hair and building a guillotine

 

[The Ruthsayer]

Yes correct. My sister in law who voted Conservative as she couldn't vote for Corbyn as he was a lefty, IRA sympathiser etc etc has now decided she could not vote for Starmer as he doesn't know what a woman is. FFS I despair.

This is not a matter for humour. I believe the mishandling of the trans issue had a material impact on Sturgeon’s decision to resign. If Starmer is unable to say what a woman is, and he has dodged the question, he risks alienating 50 percent of the electorate.
If he wants to be elected, he needs a credible stance on this issue.