Corbyn won't be a Labour candidate at General Election

exiledinboro said:
As pointed out above Corbyn won more voters but the second referendum policy (Starmers) was a disaster. It's also why he won't talk about the EU now

Starmers policies are very aligned to the Tories. I actuality it funny people think there's a difference and that those who actually follow policies who think they are broadly similar have got it wrong.

Especially on things that voters say are key issues like immigration

Corbyn is gone and so have the policies and a Labour government will be marginally better.
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Policies serve one purpose only - to persuade people to vote for you.
Leaders govern, including changing their mIndS, depending on how the land lies.

Once in power, depending on how the seats add up, you decide what you can/can’t do.
If you want to understand Starmer - look at what his views, on many things were, prior to him being in the running to lead the country.

Starmer is pro nationalisation, pro EU and pro decentralisation.
He’s also said he will abolish the House of Lords
Most of that is not ‘Tory’ thinking
 
1finny said:
Policies serve one purpose only - to persuade people to vote for you.
Leaders govern, including changing their mIndS, depending on how the land lies.

Once in power, depending on how the seats add up, you decide what you can/can’t do.
If you want to understand Starmer - look at what his views, on many things were, prior to him being in the running to lead the country.

Starmer is pro nationalisation, pro EU and pro decentralisation.
He’s also said he will abolish the House of Lords
Most of that is not ‘Tory’ thinking
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People would ask if you can be pro Nationalisation and EU and pro Decenteralisation?

I get what it means but we are never going to change the EU, which was what Cameron pinned his hopes on and lead to brexit.. 😞
 
xxlshirts_fit_all said:
People would ask if you can be pro Nationalisation and EU and pro Decenteralisation?

I get what it means but we are never going to change the EU, which was what Cameron pinned his hopes on and lead to brexit.. 😞
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The EU issue is and always has been, it’s not perfect and never will be, but as we are seeing now and it’s why we tried to get in for 10 years in the 60s and early 70s you are better in than out. A hard sell in a referendum, which is where Cameron failed us, Corbyn sadly thought the EU was a capitalist construct and never thought he would be in a position where his view would really matter!
 
exiledinboro said:
As pointed out above Corbyn won more voters but the second referendum policy (Starmers) was a disaster. It's also why he won't talk about the EU now

Starmers policies are very aligned to the Tories. I actuality it funny people think there's a difference and that those who actually follow policies who think they are broadly similar have got it wrong.

Especially on things that voters say are key issues like immigration

Corbyn is gone and so have the policies and a Labour government will be marginally better.
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Oh well I may as well vote Tory then and let the incompetence and corruption continue.
 
1finny said:
Policies serve one purpose only - to persuade people to vote for you.
Leaders govern, including changing their mIndS, depending on how the land lies.

Once in power, depending on how the seats add up, you decide what you can/can’t do.
If you want to understand Starmer - look at what his views, on many things were, prior to him being in the running to lead the country.

Starmer is pro nationalisation, pro EU and pro decentralisation.
He’s also said he will abolish the House of Lords
Most of that is not ‘Tory’ thinking
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Starmer is pro Starmer. His views change with the wind. I'd just as soon believe Boris Johnson.
 
Conservative MP Christian Wakefield - ✅

Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn - ❌

Welcome to Keir Starmer’s Labour Party. No, not you. The Tory bloke. Centrica. Shell. BP. Please, come in. Not you, no, definitely you. Peter Mandelson. Come in, Peter! Great to see you. Uber Eats - who sponsored our ‘summit’ on why zero hours are a resounding success and vital to our plans to grow the economy, no seriously - we welcome you. Ha. Ha. Ha. F*ck me. Business. Business. Business. Please, come and join us. What, you can’t afford your energy bills? Well the good news is we’re going to freeze them. Isn’t that f*cking marvellous news! They’ll be freezing just like you! Ha. Ha. Ha. What, my pledges? Ha, you believed them! No, forget them. Welcome Mr Murdoch. Yes, everything I say now will be said behind the Times’ paywall. Do you happen to know where I can get myself a pair of huge Union Jack flags measured up?

F*ck this. The country is absolutely screwed if this is the best we can do. We are hurtling towards the bottom. Starmer has openly lied to the party, to its supporters, to the media and to the public, and is being celebrated for it. I absolutely hate that it’s like this. Absolutely no accountability or consequences for just brazenly lying to all and sundry. And we’re expected to just gobble this sh*t up. F*ck that.
 
JackG said:
I'd just as soon believe Boris Johnson.
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Make sure you tick the blue box then.

Magic Grandpa failed, twice. Get over it.

The best thing that can happen to the country is the destruction of the Conservative Party at the next GE. Complete wipeout, reduce them to less than 100 MPs. You can either help do this or you can fret over the lack of socialist purity in the Labour Party. The constant false equivalence of Starmer and Johnson is tiresome. Did Starmer lie to the queen? Has Starmer overseen the diversion of millions of pounds of Government contracts into chums bank accounts? I could go on.

I get that Starmer isn't as red as you would like. Tough. You can choose red, blue or neither, it's up to you but if you choose blue or neither then don't whinge about what comes next, it's on you.
 
Muttley said:
Magic Grandpa failed, twice. Get over it.

The best thing that can happen to the country is the destruction of the Conservative Party at the next GE. Complete wipeout, reduce them to less than 100 MPs. You can either help do this or you can fret over the lack of socialist purity in the Labour Party. The constant false equivalence of Starmer and Johnson is tiresome. Did Starmer lie to the queen? Has Starmer overseen the diversion of millions of pounds of Government contracts into chums bank accounts? I could go on.

I get that Starmer isn't as red as you would like. Tough. You can choose red, blue or neither, it's up to you but if you choose blue or neither then don't whinge about what comes next, it's on you.
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“Magic Grandpa” FFS.
 
What Corbyn - and Nicola Sturgeon - did is introduce reality into the political bubble. The arguments of all of them, from Johnson to Balls to May to Mandelson via Toynbee, Alison Pearson, Kuenssberg and Peston and Neil and Fox and Ferrari, Farage, Blair, Murray, Morgan, Reeves, Murdoch, Hannan, Sunak, Dacre, Osbourne, Hague, Gove, Patel, Salmond, all the editors who commission all of this lazy, offensive bigoted dogshit printed and spoken every single day - it does not stand up to any sort of scrutiny.

And this is why they have closed ranks and made sure Corbyn can never, ever happen again. That movement, it must be crushed. We would rather go to war with Russia, or petrol bomb asylum seekers, than have that happen ever again.

As for Starmer, well forgive me if I’m not applauding someone for standing up in front of Union Jacks while repeatedly lying to my face.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
What Corbyn - and Nicola Sturgeon - did is introduce reality into the political bubble. The arguments of all of them, from Johnson to Balls to May to Mandelson via Toynbee, Alison Pearson, Kuenssberg and Peston and Neil and Fox and Ferrari, Farage, Blair, Murray, Morgan, Reeves, Murdoch, Hannan, Sunak, Dacre, Osbourne, Hague, Gove, Patel, Salmond, all the editors who commission all of this lazy, offensive bigoted dogshit printed and spoken every single day - it does not stand up to any sort of scrutiny.

And this is why they have closed ranks and made sure Corbyn can never, ever happen again. That movement, it must be crushed. We would rather go to war with Russia, or petrol bomb asylum seekers, than have that happen ever again.

As for Starmer, well forgive me if I’m not applauding someone for standing up in front of Union Jacks while repeatedly lying to my face.
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You're not going to make yourself very popular on here by telling the truth like that. People don't like hearing the truth. They prefer being lied to.
 
Comrade Corbyn any better?

The Member of Parliament for Islington North?

Woah Jeremy Corbyn?

Etc.

Look I was 100% behind Corbyn and agreed with most of his policies which as you said were a welcome touch of reality in politics. However if you cannot sell those policies to the electorate you might as well write them on a piece of paper and put them up the chimney for Santa.

The job of Leader of the Labour Party is to sell policies to the electorate. Corbyn tried twice and failed twice.

Oh and Nicola Sturgeon did a far better job than Mr Corbyn managed. His 2019 GE campaign was a complete clusterfukk you can either recognise that simple truth or continue to blame centrist MPs for every failing. Watching him on Question Time was like old fashioned Dr. Who, I wanted to hide behind the sofa. Terrible.

But it was all the blame of scheming right wing labourites? No, there is always scheming going on behind the leader in ANY party big or small. When it gains traction is when the leader cannot unite his party. And JC couldn't. His front bench was barely competent, there are only so many times you can blame the racism and misogyny directed at Ms Abbott before you have to also accept that she may be a very good constituency MP but was not competent in (shadow) high office. Too many embarrassing mistakes.
 
In the North East Labour has lost many seats opposed to the Tories gaining them.

If Labour promoted a regional levelling up agenda they would walk many seats that currently are Conservative.

Its amazes me that they can't see it or am I missing something?
 
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