Conservative Campaign HQ employees enjoying a law breaking Christmas party in December 2020

Easterside_Red said:
Well we'll never know will we and that includes you.
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Yes we do know. Because it happened. Have you been under a rock for the past decade?

Since when has politics been about being a business manager? Maybe that's where the current lot are going wrong.

It's politics. The clue is in the name.
 
Scrote said:
Yes we do know. Because it happened. Have you been under a rock for the past decade?
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Starmer being sacked by Corbyn, when did that happen then?
I think you're getting a bit muddled up fella.
Scrote said:
Since when has politics been about being a business manager? Maybe that's where the current lot are going wrong.
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Who mentioned anything about business manager?
There are managers in all walks of life.
Again, I think you're reading things that haven't been said.
Scrote said:
It's politics. The clue is in the name.
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And then there's political leadership. Something Corbyn has never possessed outside of a dozen or so Labour MPs. That's on him, nobody else is to blame.

Seems to me you're running out of steam here.
 
Easterside_Red said:
Starmer being sacked by Corbyn, when did that happen then?
I think you're getting a bit muddled up fella.
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No. The right of the party accusing the left of purging them when they didn't. It's happened enough times to know, with certainty that it would have happened had Corbyn sacked Starmer.

It's fairly clear with hindsight that Starmer would have been happy to be a martyr so the right could set off another wave of resignations and anti-Corbyn headlines as they did in the wake of the Hillary Benn sacking. Corbyn learned his lesson from that and applied his learnings. Like all good managers should. In any walk of life.

It's called political leadership.

Easterside_Red said:
Seems to me you're running out of steam here.
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Seems to me you never got underway...
 
Scrote said:
No. The right of the party accusing the left of purging them when they didn't. It's happened enough times to know, with certainty that it would have happened had Corbyn sacked Starmer.
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No, I was quite specific.
You said: "Are you seriously suggesting that Starmer being sacked by Corbyn wouldn't have been reported as factionalism"
I said "Well we'll never know will we and that includes you."
Because it didn't happen and you seem to be getting all worked up about hypotheticals.

Scrote said:
It's fairly clear with hindsight
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You're an absolute dreamer fella. Concentrate on real things, real events. Not what might have happened.

Scrote said:
Seems to me you never got underway...
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But still 10 steps ahead of you.
 
Easterside_Red said:
You said: "Are you seriously suggesting that Starmer being sacked by Corbyn wouldn't have been reported as factionalism"
I said "Well we'll never know will we and that includes you."
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No. I said:

Scrote said:
Are you seriously suggesting that Starmer being sacked by Corbyn wouldn't have been reported as factionalism and a leftist purge of the Labour right? The fact that those accusations were made despite no purges taking place just makes your position look ridiculous.
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And you said:

Easterside_Red said:
Well we'll never know will we and that includes you. So you've now softened it up and are referring to a potential sacking being 'reported as factionalism', not actual factionalism. My argument stands no matter how much you want it to describe it as ridiculous. I don'y know what you've ever done for a job but as a manager if the job's not getting done correctly, whether it's Starmer or Long-Bailey, you do something about it. Factionalism doesn't come into it, just effective management which of course we know Corbyn didn't have.
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You chose to quote the two sentences. Which implies you were responding to both of them. If you wanted to be "quite specific" then you should have tried being more specific.
 
Scrote said:
No. I said:


And you said:


You chose to quote the two sentences. Which implies you were responding to both of them. If you wanted to be "quite specific" then you should have tried being more specific.
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And there we have it. In my mind I've been absolutely clear in what I was referring to when I stated ""Well we'll never know will we and that includes you."

You have taken it a different way.

If you want me to be more specific:

We will never know if Starmer being sacked by Corbyn would or wouldn't have been reported as factionalism because Starmer was not sacked by Corbyn.
 
Trug said:
How the fk have you lot got onto arguing about Labour. This thread is about Tories dancing, boozing and partying while hundreds of thousands people died and millions made enormous sacrifices. Give yer heads a shake.
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The thread 'developed' and 'deteriorated' as they always seem to unfortunately.
I'll hold my hands up. Despite creating the thread I allowed myself to be distracted.
I'm now out.
 
Easterside_Red said:
We will never know if Starmer being sacked by Corbyn would or wouldn't have been reported as factionalism because Starmer was not sacked by Corbyn.
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We'll never know that for definite, no.

But we can look at the available evidence and make a reasonable assumption, with a high level of confidence, that it's exactly what would have happened.
 
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