Carrick long term future

Uwefuchs said:
Let's be honest none of us really know about whether Carrick is a man of honesty and integrity, we'd like to think that he is because it makes us feel better but nothing would surprise me in football.
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I think he's been in the public eye long enough to know that he is an honorable person.

I'm not concerned, he's seen how quickly you can go from hero to zero as a manager. He's seen how some clubs are toxic. He's also seen how managers have forged a good career for themselves at this club, and the support and opportunities given.

I don't think he would even think about the Man Utd job right now, if offered, because the expectation and pressure is too high for a rookie manager, and he knows it. Give it 4 years he'd find it hard to turn down.

He is smart enough to know he is in a great role, could get a promotion on his CV this season, if not maybe next season. Either way, he knows the chairman will back him, he won't get that in many other clubs, including West Ham and Spurs.

Premier League is different gravy, the pressure is intense, tactics have to be spot on, managing international quality players and keeping them happy isn't easy, he knows this. He knows that he is putting in the groundwork for his management career right now, he can make mistakes without them being terminal, which might not be the case at somewhere like West Ham.

I have 99% confidence he will be with us next season, and I'm fairly confident the season after, but it'll get tough to keep him beyond that 2 1/2 year mark. We would have to be in the prem, and pushing for a european spot to keep him. That would require a huge transformation from there we were when he arrived and likely a lot of Gibson-dollars, to invest in the necessary quality.

Let's just enjoy it while he is here.
 
Nano said:
I don't see him as desperately craving a seat at the top "where he belongs" because Carrick knows he will get a chance.
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But also, he doesn't need to - that's the beauty of having a coach with a career like his. Absolutely nothing to prove in football as a player and already part of the elite. Would like to think he won't feel hasty to achieve a massive rep as a coach.
 
SitsOnTheFence said:
What we need to do is use Carrick to establish a blueprint, a template, establish an identity if you will. Our next managers will already have the same philosophy as Carrick. Obviously this is simplifying things but I think it's a good time to embrace this.
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I don't see it as simplifying, it's professionalising the club. A continued playing philosophy is far better than chopping and changing. Passing attacking football is what the fans clearly crave, the defence hasn't massively improved under Carrick, still conceding a goal a game on average, but the fans aren't complaining about that. We the fans, want to approach every game with a 'lets win this' mentality rather than a 'lets try not to lose'. That needs to be our identity moving forward.
 
BoroMart said:
I think he's been in the public eye long enough to know that he is an honorable person.

I'm not concerned, he's seen how quickly you can go from hero to zero as a manager. He's seen how some clubs are toxic. He's also seen how managers have forged a good career for themselves at this club, and the support and opportunities given.

I don't think he would even think about the Man Utd job right now, if offered, because the expectation and pressure is too high for a rookie manager, and he knows it. Give it 4 years he'd find it hard to turn down.

He is smart enough to know he is in a great role, could get a promotion on his CV this season, if not maybe next season. Either way, he knows the chairman will back him, he won't get that in many other clubs, including West Ham and Spurs.

Premier League is different gravy, the pressure is intense, tactics have to be spot on, managing international quality players and keeping them happy isn't easy, he knows this. He knows that he is putting in the groundwork for his management career right now, he can make mistakes without them being terminal, which might not be the case at somewhere like West Ham.

I have 99% confidence he will be with us next season, and I'm fairly confident the season after, but it'll get tough to keep him beyond that 2 1/2 year mark. We would have to be in the prem, and pushing for a european spot to keep him. That would require a huge transformation from there we were when he arrived and likely a lot of Gibson-dollars, to invest in the necessary quality.

Let's just enjoy it while he is here.
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I'm sure he is a decent guy, he always comes across well in the media.

However thats no guarantee that he won't be tempted by another club in the near future. Let's say he misses out on promotion this season and then a club like West Ham come calling with loads of money and a promise of delivering big names in the transfer market, he'd only be human to look at the offer.

I know there's pitfalls to jumping into the Premier league too early and I agree with pretty much all of your post. But I'm not biased enough to know we'd have a big job on our hands keeping him in that situation. I'd understand and respect his decision if he wanted to make a move like that, I'd see it as ambitious rather than dishonourable.
 
As others have said, he doesn't need the money and he's a thoughtful bloke. He's not going to be tempted by premier League football, a big contract and a transfer kitty alone.

If he does move it'll be because someone has been able to sell him a vision that is more attractive to him as someone who wants to develop as a coach than what we're offering.

I'd say few premier League jobs offer that. Most want someone to come in and make an immediate impact. Most jobs that come up in the bottom half of the table are firefighting jobs, can't see them being appealing to him at all.

Even if we don't go up this season, I'd hope the appeal of finishing the job next season with us would be enough. We're clearly completely aligned with his views/objectives, we have a fantastic footballing side for this level and Id think someone like Carrick will want a full season and hopefully a promotion on his CV before taking the next step.
 
If he keeps going as he is the long term future could be any club in the world, & international if that's what he wants..

Next 1-3 years will probably be us & endless 'chat' in media about 'big' clubs about to announce him as their manager..

I think he's better off creating & finishing a job here, before moving on.. if he can't get us into the Shampions League spots 👍
 
I think Carrick will move one once he feels he has banked enough experience. The real test for the club will be who goes with him. They've talked about wanting a boot room culture, where someone will step up. Can they retain Woody/Danks and promote one of them? Will Carrick want to take them with him?

Part of the point of him being a head coach is that we can replace just him with minimal disruption instead of having to rip everything up when a new manager comes in.
 
festa5 said:
I'd say few premier League jobs offer that. Most want someone to come in and make an immediate impact. Most jobs that come up in the bottom half of the table are firefighting jobs, can't see them being appealing to him at al
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If he gets us promoted though then we're likely to have a season of being in a relegation dogfight as well.

An established Premier league club, with more money and better players than us are gonna be appealing.

Hopefully he'll want to continue and finish the project he's just started here, I wouldn't see the appeal of jumping from here into a relegation battle right now, but in the summer if we don't get promoted then I could see the appeal then.
 
Man utd despite the defeat yesterday wouldnt take a risk on him and it would be a big gamble for him to take the challenge there at this time. West ham is a mess so I can't see him there. I think he could be here a couple more seasons before someone like spurs tempts him.

The biggest influence on keeping him will be Gibsons backing or lack off in the Premier league if he's given peanuts to spend relatively speaking which I suspect he will be then I think he could be tempted elsewhere
 
I do think we'd be hard pressed to convince him to stay if West Ham put serious effort in to getting him in the summer and we don't get promoted.

Just got to hope that we do, or they have their eyes on other targets.

Wouldn't say that I'd particularly blame him either, a bigger club by every metric, one he has history with, and an established Premier League team.

But hopefully it's all hypothetical.
 
And... if Carrick loses a run of games and we miss the playoffs will the fans still want him here long term?

If .... he then starts next season like Wilder started this one we'll have a large section of the fans wanting him out.

That's loyalty in football.
 
I don't necessarily think he'll demand boro break the bank if we go up. His passion seems to be coaching young players, given his foundation, etc. Given that boro under Scott have spoken about their model being buying young players with potential you'd think he has bought into that philosophy at the interview stage.

The fact that we've tried to buy Archer/Ramsey shows this direction. Hopefully the days of throwing money at experienced players with little resale value are over.
 
Not sure what anyone is worrying about tbh.
Carrick seems very level headed and I'm sure he'll be appreciative of the opportunity he's been given here.
He'll also be painfully aware having seen it first hand, of the pressures and sometimes overly harsh treatment that mangers at top clubs suffer.
As long as we can match his ambition and he can continue to have us playing such attractive football then I see no reason for him to seek pastures new.
I'm looking forward to seeing how we play in the PL under him.
 
Let's be real. We aren't a big draw anymore. We've had one season in the PL in 15 years. We can't compete financially with teams like West Ham and definitely not with someone like Spurs or Utd. I don't think he'd take the West Ham job if they sacked Moyes soon. He's clever enough to know that would be a difficult position to prove himself. If they let Moyes go at the end of the season and the timing is better for him (and we haven't been promoted) then that could be likely. He's not going to be offered a Spurs/Utd level job with only championship experience so we don't need to worry about that. Established PL teams wanting to improve so even up to Newcastle's level, not just battle relegation, will be the sort of level we will probably lose him to (unless he does exceptionally well with us and one of the big clubs is feeling brave).
 
he's not jumping ship until at least the end of his contract. if we go up that will be when we can maybe tie him down for longer, until that happens we may only have him until it expires
 
Nottyboy said:
I do think he's got way more integrity than Wilder but at some point we are not going to be able to hold onto him. If Moyes got sacked before the end of the season then I don't think he would leave us at this point. If we go up this year we should be in a better position to keep him as it would take a top Premier league club to tempt him away. However if we don't go up it will be harder to hang on. That's the downside of having someone so good, they attract the attention of others.

I'm hoping we can hang onto him for another couple of seasons at least but that may depend on getting to the premier league and staying there. He will go on to bigger things lets hope that it's later rather than sooner. I can see him being England manager at some point.
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I didn't see this post and just posted about Michael Carrick on my post - but can't resist responding here. The thing is ; Look at Potter at Chelsea. Wonderful at Brighton and building something special. Got too big for his boots and wanted 'success' quicker....or to be 'seen' as successful.
Its all about your perception of success. If Michael Carrick really is smart/bright he'll look around around our club and think. Wow. I could shape this exactly how I wish and build something rather than go to a 'big' club and get 'success' there which is expected anyway.

Where's the 'real' achievement in doing that versus achieving something at a club like Middlesbrough and taking them into the 'back gardens' of these big clubs and very much competing and succeeding.
That's real achievement right there.

I honestly think he is smart enough to see the way he can build something special here.....I would be astounded if he left (even if we don't go up this season) because it's like...for what ?

I would sincerely hope Carrick reads one of these threads and laughs out loud....and thinks..Jeez...i'm staying as long as i'm welcome...I want to build something here...
 
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