Burnley and Sheffield United

Alan_Breck

Alan_Breck

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Both teams streets ahead of us last season, and rightly promoted to the Premier League, but look how their fortunes have changed. A third of the way through the season and they have 4 and 5 points respectively, and on this form relegation is more than likely. We would have little money to spend on players and would have done no better to be fair, so why the great chase for PL status and certain disappointment. A treat, and heartbreak, watching the great and the good come to the Riverside and take points home with them, so is challenging in the upper echelons of the Championship our destiny, and never progress?

#UTB
 
Alan_Breck said:
Both teams streets ahead of us last season, and rightly promoted to the Premier League, but look how their fortunes have changed. A third of the way through the season and they have 4 and 5 points respectively, and on this form relegation is more than likely. We would have little money to spend on players and would have done no better to be fair, so why the great chase for PL status and certain disappointment. A treat, and heartbreak, watching the great and the good come to the Riverside and take points home with them, so is challenging in the upper echelons of the Championship our destiny, and never progress?

#UTB
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And 200 million. In the bank!
 
Last season, all 3 promoted teams survived, so I see no reason to despair.

It has become harder for sure though. However, performance in the championship is no indicator of how it will go in the PL. Luton may only be out of the bottom 3 by virtue of Everton's points deduction, but they are outperforming 2 teams who finished well ahead of them last year.

The likes of Brighton, Bretford, Wolves and Palace may look part of the PL furniture just now, but the bullet will work it's way round for them, as it did for Leicester and Southampton. Like them, we can be "established in the PL", but the reality is that means a run of 10-12 years, then back to the championship.
 
Frozen Horse said:
The likes of Brighton, Bretford, Wolves and Palace may look part of the PL furniture just now, but the bullet will work it's way round for them, as it did for Leicester and Southampton. Like them, we can be "established in the PL", but the reality is that means a run of 10-12 years, then back to the championship.
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We were established but everyone saw the decline coming as top class players were replaced one by one with the likes of Justin Hoyte, Gary O'Neil, Marlon King, the two Egyptians and Ross Turnbull and Brad Jones
 
Frozen Horse said:
Last season, all 3 promoted teams survived, so I see no reason to despair.

It has become harder for sure though. However, performance in the championship is no indicator of how it will go in the PL. Luton may only be out of the bottom 3 by virtue of Everton's points deduction, but they are outperforming 2 teams who finished well ahead of them last year.

The likes of Brighton, Bretford, Wolves and Palace may look part of the PL furniture just now, but the bullet will work it's way round for them, as it did for Leicester and Southampton. Like them, we can be "established in the PL", but the reality is that means a run of 10-12 years, then back to the championship.
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Six of the teams promoted in the last two seasons sit in the bottom 7.

To the OP, I think it highlights the gulf in class between the PL and Championship. Most of the Championship couldn't get near Burnley or Sheff Utd.
 
Surprised Burnley have had a really difficult start. They spent a reasonable amount too. If results don’t start to pick up, Kompany’s job could be on the line. They were thought of as one of the best championship teams ever last season. Luton doing better than expected though.
 
locomansimon said:
And 200 million. In the bank!
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Loco I agree, but most of that £200m would just pay off debts and stadium upkeep for future security, with not a lot for team building. Anyway, even if the whole of the £200m were available to purchase players, it's a drop in the ocean to what the top 6 have at their disposal. I think it's great to chase PL status but don't look forward to the disappointments.

#UTB
 
Norman_Conquest said:
Six of the teams promoted in the last two seasons sit in the bottom 7.
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But only 3 go down, so it is a chance for 3 (maybe more depending upon Everton) to have a 2nd/3rd year and begin to properly establish themselves in the Premier League.

However a couple of years ago Burnley & Norwich were swapping leagues & kept missing each other, if that expands to be 6 clubs that are missing each other (which could happen this year) then "something would need to be done" (say a Prem 2, no parachute, all player contracts to have a relegation wage reduction, hard team salary cap etc.) otherwise it does make it a bit of a nonsense.

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I think that it reflects the mindset shift required in terms of moving from being a winning machine to aiming for 'not losing' mode every week.

The teams who go up and do ok are ones where they come to the Riverside, beat us in a manner where you think "fair enough, more quality than us," having put together a team with one eye on the PL. Neither Sheff Utd nor Luton wiped the floor with a team like us and the Luton win at their place wouldn't have stood in the PL with VAR and that penalty. Burnley have surprised me, but maybe it's a touch of us and Karanka: plan A is the only plan.
 
Burnley‘s best player last year was Nathan Tella, on loan from Southampton (19 goals). They didn’t buy him. He went to Bayer Leverkusen. Sheffield United’s best player last year was Iliman Ndiaye. They sold him to Marseille. When you get promoted you must keep the best player / players who got you there, at least for the first season. You cannot just create a new team in the PL unless you spend a fortune like Villa or Forest. If we had got promoted and got rid of Chuba and not bought at least two of Giles, Ramsey or Archer, we would be in the bottom three as well. At least Luton kept the players who got them there and added a few more.
 
Sheff United sold their best player and bought only Archer of note and Burnley have made too many changes from last season. They are stinking the Prem out at the moment.
 
I’d fancy Michael Carrick with even a modest war chest like Burnley have had. I also think our Brentford/Brighton business model has to be the way forward.
Frustratingly, it may mean another year or so outside the top league. This may well mean we lose Carrick, so that’s our dilemma
 
I think the table is showing slim margins to do with who has played who. Burnley have only played 5 of the bottom 10(9 not incl themselves ) and 4 of those have had to played away so only 1 home game in the mini league of the bottom 10 . Sheff Utd have played an extra game ,6 and 4 of those have been at home . Totally expect Burnley to jump ahead of Sheff Utd by half way stage.
 
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