BoroMart
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better go to specsavers then
Britain to go back to square one under Labour
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Steer
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BoroMart
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You can always pick one industry sector and use that as evidence......it's evidence for failure to support one sector, or micro-sector, or one set of circumstances....it isn't evidence of overall failure across the nation.
The evidence is clear if you choose to read it:
- that the overall economy was far healthier, we had the longest run of GDP growth on record
- we had people in poverty
- we had a better run health service and more investment
- we had better funded local gobvernment
- we had better funded armed forces
- we had more policement
- we had better renumirated doctors and nurses
- we had less sectors on strike
- we had more teachers staying in the profession longer
I mean the list goes on.
BoroMart
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I'll say it as it is, to claim that Tory and labour are the same is ignorance of reams of evidence.
Thats just one thing.
If I start talking about corruption, then I may be here a while.
Omega
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It’s not improved any only ever gets worse in my opinion no matter who is in power
atypical_boro
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Time to give someone new a chance then?
The Blair government made catastrophic errors, that's why he's no longer their leader. At least give the new guys a chance to mess it all up, rather than acting as though they already have.
The guys in charge now already have.
Omega
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Why because I dare disagree with the board narrative Labour only do good and conservative only do bad. I wish my life was so black and white. To save you typing no I am not a conservative no I am not racist yes my spelling and grammar are very poor
Omega
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Thank you for your honest answer. I might yet vote Labour see if anything change but rest assured I won’t vote conservative
atypical_boro
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I've spoilt my paper before, more than once. I actually liked Corbyn but was disgusted with his stance on Brexit, so I spoiled my paper to make a point (ha, however small). But I knew I lived in a safe Labour seat and I knew it wasn't going the way of some of the North East Labour seats (red wall etc) so I felt it was an option to do so.
Had I thought I'd helpeput the Tories back in I wouldn't have, I'd have at least voted tactically to get them out. This time round I feel reasonably comfortable voting Labour even if Starmer has said a number of things that I've opposed.
Chris_Boro
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For the avoidance of doubt, you're staying that when Labour came into power, things (education, NHS, police, fire, civil services etc) got worse?
I mean things were demonstrably better in almost every conceivable way under Blair/brown as they are now. Pretty much every stat you look at shows you how much better we all were. I didn't agree with everything they did, wasn't a fan of PPI and we could spend forever discussing potential war crimes ... But the state of the country for the people living here was demonstrably better.
Merrykoala
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Exactly, I remember my grandparents getting a lot more help from the state soon after Labour came into power in 97.
Now we're back to the ludicrous notion that everyone can just lift themselves up by their shoelaces while the policymakers openly feather their own nests with public money.
festa5
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That's the key point for me. It's not even an opinion, it's a fact. As you say pick almost any metric you like and it would make the same point. If you looked at it completely unemotionally and just used data, it's not even close.
Unless you happen to be in the top 1% or so of earners. In which case you personally might be able to claim to be better off. Although even then anyone in that bracket with a shred of empathy would be appalled at the cost to the rest of the country.
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Frozen Horse
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Have to agree.
Blair is answerable for his war crimes, but that does not mean all the improvements in health and education etc. before then didn't happen.
BoroMart
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There is no "board narrative" but I guess there is a consensus across the nation right now, that's what you are experiencing.
You are of course welcome to whatever view you choose, but once you decide to air that view in public it's open to scrutiny. If your view is based on ignorance of the evidence (and it is) then I'm the kind of person that will call that out. If that offends, it's not meant to, I just have a low tolerance for ignorance, in a digital age where it' really easy to research good sources and find evidence.
Life's too short to pretend ignorant and bias views are equally worthy of informed, evidence based ones. Nothing personal, that's just my opinion, it might get some peoples backs up, but I'm absolutely comfortable with that.
Frozen Horse
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My sarky sort of point before was, just because something is branded or dismissed as a narrative, doesn't mean it isn't real.
The word "narrative" has become the heir to "project fear" which, as we've found out, was fair comment on what would happen post-Brexit. Dismissing a position as a "narrative" is the new way of a refusing to look reality in the face.
BoroMart
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on a purely domestic politics level, he has to be considered one of our most successful PMs ever, due to the positive continuous economic performance and government run service performance,
Absolutely. This 'they're all the same' malarkey is just what the Tories want enough people to think. They have absolutely no way of winning on their own merits, their best shot is apathy and indifference. I can be critical of Blair and Brown until the cows come home. I'm sure I will (well, already am TBH), extremely critical of Starmer... But I'd crawl naked over broken glass up and down the riverside stadium to get anything even close to what we had going for us in this country in the late 90s.
Johnny Boy
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Cryptic crossword question - What is the square root (cause) of less than square one?
Answer: 13 years of Tory b011ox, lying and cheating.
Answer: 13 years of Tory b011ox, lying and cheating.
LessoftheLip
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Perception can easily be trumped by statistical hard evidence and it's not too difficult to find if you're minded to look for it.