Brexit voters

[indeedido]

So I am stupid, a bigot, self interested and an isolationist, you can add a Gammon, racist, thick as mince. And Remainers are the nice people incase anyone forgets. And there is a tinge of being happy older people are dying.

This one member alone despised almost 14 million people in one message.

I agree but in fairness there is a lot more balance and sense in other parts of zzzz's post.

 

[Wiseman_Vaughn]

'Emotional' is an interesting adjective to use Wiseman. I would say it was more a 'divisive' question.

Definitely divisive but Leave identified that this was the one issue where they could win.

However

The Tories have not delivered on that promise in fact Patel seems powerless to stop the tide of illegal immigrants.

 

[zzzzz]

I really don't care if Leavers are upset. It upset me and still rankles that we're out.
We're out because of utter lies and gobshytes playing on the prejudices of many many people who really believed we'd "Get our Country Back" whatever the fk that means.
Nobody STILL has shown me any benefit to leaving.
So the decision to leave was and is stupid and so are the people that voted for it for being duped.

 

[Same_as_before]

I really don't care if Leavers are upset. It upset me and still rankles that we're out.
We're out because of utter lies and gobshytes playing on the prejudices of many many people who really believed we'd "Get our Country Back" whatever the fk that means.
Nobody STILL has shown me any benefit to leaving.
So the decision to leave was and is stupid and so are the people that voted for it for being duped.

True we were lied to: London to collapse as a financial centre, £ to fall against both $ and €, housing disaster, one thing about us Brexiteers we have a memory span over 5 minutes. Yours; a bigot, stupid ....

 

[SmallTown]

I voted purely on the bent banana policy

It’s a curious thing of the Brexit argument isn’t it? Leavers say “let it go” stop talking about it. Yet are unwilling, or incapable of explaining why they are happy with it.
So, we have a situation where people are angry with their country being damaged and constantly can site ways in which it’s being damaged. And those that still support the process can’t offer a single reason as to why? It’s obvious why those of us, like me, who love our country get so upset when people revel in its isolation and can’t elucidate why. It’s very telling.

 

[Steve8778]

It’s a curious thing of the Brexit argument isn’t it? Leavers say “let it go” stop talking about it. Yet are unwilling, or incapable of explaining why they are happy with it.
So, we have a situation where people are angry with their country being damaged and constantly can site ways in which it’s being damaged. And those that still support the process can’t offer a single reason as to why? It’s obvious why those of us, like me, who love our country get so upset when people revel in its isolation and can’t elucidate why. It’s very telling.

I have many valid reasons and I'd be willing to air them to reasonable people but after your claim that brexit voters are implicated in the invasion and murder of Ukrainians I'm afraid I just can't take you seriously.

 

[Ziggy]

“ A court has ruled that the 2016 EU referendum should be voided because of criminal activity by the Brexit campaign. – Only it can’t be because of this loophole: it wasn’t a binding referendum.”
The technicality is that it was advisory. But the illegality still stands.
The reason why Johnson can say, frequently, he saw no evidence of any Russian involvement. Is purely down to the fact that they didn’t bother really looking for any.

So the discussion of standing by the result is pretty much redundant by the fact that the result itself was obtained illegally.
By defending it, we move into pretty murky areas.

 

[Same_as_before]

I have many valid reasons and I'd be willing to air them to reasonable people but after your claim that brexit voters are implicated in the invasion and murder of Ukrainians I'm afraid I just can't take you seriously.

Nah, even I don't believe he said that.

 

[Same_as_before]

“ A court has ruled that the 2016 EU referendum should be voided because of criminal activity by the Brexit campaign. – Only it can’t be because of this loophole: it wasn’t a binding referendum.”
The technicality is that it was advisory. But the illegality still stands.
The reason why Johnson can say, frequently, he saw no evidence of any Russian involvement. Is purely down to the fact that they didn’t bother really looking for any.

So the discussion of standing by the result is pretty much redundant by the fact that the result itself was obtained illegally.
By defending it, we move into pretty murky areas.

Ziggy, what would you say to the majority who voted Brexit, sorry lads and lasses your vote doesn't count, let's carry on.

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

The problem I have with that no one in The UK voted to join The EU. Referendums on treaties which were signed off by governments were never held not just in The UK but other countries. It feels like The EU is morphing towards a super state without actually asking the people of Europe is this what you want.

Parliament is elected to make decisions on our behalf, the referendum was a dereliction of this duty.

If we can have a referendum on EU membership why can't we have one on wealth distribution, the death penalty etc?

I know which of those would be given the biggest push by our imbeciles in the press.

 

[ThePrisoner]

Parliament is elected to make decisions on our behalf, the referendum was a dereliction of this duty.

If we can have a referendum on EU membership why can't we have one on wealth distribution, the death penalty etc?

I know which of those would be given the biggest push by our imbeciles in the press.

The Swiss do referenda all the time. Maybe if it becomes art of a country's political system people start to take them seriously and inform themselves. Can't see that happening in UK though.

 

[Norman_Conquest]

Because "Bexit" as demonstrated on threads like this is toxic. You will never get those who voted to leave to publicly admit their error no matter the evidence based before them. You'll get soundbites like the current "Security, Prosperity and Respect" from Starmer and focus on the sins of the Tories. No need to scratch at the scars.


Oh do grow up Norman your first post was plainly a pop at ST, don't play the fool.

Mutley, of course it was a pop at him and also anyone else who voted Tory but please point out the insults I aimed at him?

He takes every opportunity to slag others off for not having the same views as him and then runs to admin saying he is being victimised. He goes on about Brexit over and over, if anyone dares to mention that he voted Tory, then we are insulting him, picking on him and need to grow up.

 

[Ziggy]

Ziggy, what would you say to the majority who voted Brexit, sorry lads and lasses your vote doesn't count, let's carry on.

Well, Z. The illegally obtained result, will always remain. There where some questions asked about a later denial of the the right of appeal.
Though for yes voters it’s a bit like getting away with receiving stolen goods
If it had have been voided. Then there would have been a rerun, I suppose. Probably with the same result, but we will never know.

 

[Colgates_shaving_foam]

We won't rejoin in a one off referendum type idiocy. A more fact based government will "synchronise our custom procedures" with our European neighbours and rejoin the "Single Market" at some point we might then allow freedom of movement between ourselves and our neighbours (just as we do with Ireland). We can do all of this without rejoining the EU (e.g. Norway or Switzerland) our only loss would be a place at the EU "table" when decisions are made. No need for a vote.

I believe this what a Starmer government will do, though you wont see it in any Labour Manifesto.

I totally agree with this.

I'm not an ideological remainer, not really, my reason for voting remain was the massive faf and red tape that brexit would and has caused.

 

[SmallTown]

I have many valid reasons and I'd be willing to air them to reasonable people but after your claim that brexit voters are implicated in the invasion and murder of Ukrainians I'm afraid I just can't take you seriously.

That sounds like a cop out to me. I’ve been perfectly reasonable on this thread and I’m genuinely curious because it’s so different to how I see things.

It’s noted though. You’re not alone. Many leave supporters now find themselves unwilling or unable to express what your “valid reasons” are. And can only speculate. It’s a funny paradox isn’t it: leavers want remainders to shut up about Brexit, yet refuse to give them the actual reasons to shut up.

 

[SmallTown]

Mutley, of course it was a pop at him and also anyone else who voted Tory but please point out the insults I aimed at him?

He takes every opportunity to slag others off for not having the same views as him and then runs to admin saying he is being victimised. He goes on about Brexit over and over, if anyone dares to mention that he voted Tory, then we are insulting him, picking on him and need to grow up.

That’s an odd take isn’t it? You insult me and admit it yet you still have a go at me for pointing out you insulted me. Interesting behaviour

 

[Steve8778]

That sounds like a cop out to me. I’ve been perfectly reasonable on this thread and I’m genuinely curious because it’s so different to how I see things.

It’s noted though. You’re not alone. Many leave supporters now find themselves unwilling or unable to express what your “valid reasons” are. And can only speculate. It’s a funny paradox isn’t it: leavers want remainders to shut up about Brexit, yet refuse to give them the actual reasons to shut up.

Have you ever heard of self awareness?

 

[Same_as_before]

Well, Z. The illegally obtained result, will always remain. There where some questions asked about a later denial of the the right of appeal.
Though for yes voters it’s a bit like getting away with receiving stolen goods
If it had have been voided. Then there would have been a rerun, I suppose. Probably with the same result, but we will never know.

I wish the referendum had never happened and agree with Cat it's the government who should make decisions. But because of a coward we had a referendum and there was a winner.

 

[kuepper]

 

[Norman_Conquest]

That’s an odd take isn’t it? You insult me and admit it yet you still have a go at me for pointing out you insulted me. Interesting behaviour

Can you quote for me the insult I’ve aimed at you?

In fact, HV mentions you, I only asked how anyone who Tory felt knowing the Russians had interfered in a British election.

You aren’t the only person to vote Conservative.