Boris Johnson referred to Police over additional rule breaking

You know what. That last post is too mild. This conspiracy stuff is arrant nonsense and an insult to those who worked the pandemic while keyboard warriors like the knobhead who posted it were no doubt cowering at home.

I don’t like to give too much personal stuff on this sort of site. But fwiw I’m a doctor. Not a pulmonary specialist. But I don’t think you need to be here. If any politician told us to treat someone as a gimmick, even now never mind in a major crisis, for fake rather than medical reasons, I am convinced that 99% would tell them to sod off and rightly so, and most of them would go straight to the press too. The idea we acquiesced in this Tory conspiracy is a fantasy and an insult. Their leadership may be scum. Our medical staff aren’t. Don’t associate us.
 
sherlock1969 said:
I’m not saying doctors gave him unnecessary treatment. I’m saying he didn’t need a ventilator and wasn’t at deaths door.
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Respectfully, you are. If he didn’t need a ventilator but he was put on one that is by definition an unnecessary treatment at a time when it was in short supply and must have had a more deserving patient. If he didn’t need it. Seriously, almost no doctor, certainly no one of my acquaintance, would have gone along with that.

sherlock1969 said:
By the way, am I the knob head you are referring to? Because if so, I worked throughout the pandemic with disabled children.
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OK sorry. I try not to be personal here. And I respect what you did. it was wrong to presume. But seriously, the conspiracy that is needed for this to be perpetuated is just bollix. Johnson is an &rse. His medical staff weren’t though. It is completely inconceivable for me that they would be part of the conspiracy you advocate.
 
FishofContemplation said:
Respectfully, you are. If he didn’t need a ventilator but he was put on one that is by definition an unnecessary treatment at a time when it was in short supply and must have had a more deserving patient. If he didn’t need it. Seriously, almost no doctor, certainly no one of my acquaintance, would have gone along with that.



OK sorry. I try not to be personal here. And I respect what you did. it was wrong to presume. But seriously, the conspiracy that is needed for this to be perpetuated is just bollix. Johnson is an &rse. His medical staff weren’t though. It is completely inconceivable for me that they would be part of the conspiracy you advocate.
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He was never put on a ventilator, that's the point.

Those placed on a ventilator were seriously ill, Boris Johnson never required one, was never put on one and therefore was not at "deaths door" as repeatedly regurgitated by his supporters.

I'm not sure you're understanding is correct, it's not a conspiracy. No doctor gave him unnecessary treatment.
 
FishofContemplation said:
Respectfully, you are. If he didn’t need a ventilator but he was put on one that is by definition an unnecessary treatment at a time when it was in short supply and must have had a more deserving patient
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He was NEVER on a ventilator.

I am not criticising the medical staff at all.

I am saying he didn’t nearly die and that lie has been spread by the Tories.
 
Chris_Boro said:
He was never put on a ventilator, that's the point.

Those placed on a ventilator were seriously ill, Boris Johnson never required one, was never put on one and therefore was not at "deaths door" as repeatedly regurgitated by his supporters.

I'm not sure you're understanding is correct, it's not a conspiracy. No doctor gave him unnecessary treatment.
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Ok my bad it was three years ago and he wasn’t my patient. But the point still works. He was in ICU under high flow O2 therapy. No doc would give him that if it wasn’t clinically necessary. It’s an insult to suggest otherwise. He was seriously Ill. He’s an **** but his doctors didn’t make that bit up. And they didn’t go along with a Tory pretence on it either. You are delusional and insulting if that’s what you think of our medical staff
 
FishofContemplation said:
Ok my bad it was three years ago and he wasn’t my patient. But the point still works. He was in ICU under high flow O2 therapy. No doc would give him that if it wasn’t clinically necessary. It’s an insult to suggest otherwise. He was seriously Ill. He’s an **** but his doctors didn’t make that bit up. And they didn’t go along with a Tory pretence on it either. You are delusional and insulting if that’s what you think of our medical staff
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It's also an insult to suggest sympathy for him because he "nearly died", which is by far the bigger point here.

He even admitted as much himself. You're anger should be directed at those spreading false information that downplays the dire effect Covid had on loved ones.
 
sherlock1969 said:
He was NEVER on a ventilator.

I am not criticising the medical staff at all.

I am saying he didn’t nearly die and that lie has been spread by the Tories.
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Yes you are. Because they don’t openly acknowledge your big conspiracy. Either he was seriously Ill and they fail to comment because that is true or he wasn’t and they fail to comment as they are cowardly participants in your fantasy. There is no other position.
 
Chris_Boro said:
It's also an insult to suggest sympathy for him because he "nearly died", which is by far the bigger point here.
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That’s complete deflection. He deserves no sympathy for being Ill whether he was or not. The insult is to our medical professionals though. Who, to some fantasists on here, apparently conspired to pretend he was Ill when he wasn’t. No we didn’t. If his doctors said he was Ill, and they haven’t said otherwise since, then I reckon he was and the rest of you can do one.
 
FishofContemplation said:
Yes you are. Because they don’t openly acknowledge your big conspiracy. Either he was seriously Ill and they fail to comment because that is true or he wasn’t and they fail to comment as they are cowardly participants in your fantasy. There is no other position.
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Why would they comment on other people not involved in his care over exaggerating his condition?

Everything about his treatment was released at the time, noone involved is making anything up. Those who were seriously ill and at risk of death were ventilated, Boris Johnson wasn't therefore anyone can deduce he wasn’t "near death". This is hyperbolic.
 
FishofContemplation said:
That’s complete deflection. He deserves no sympathy for being Ill whether he was or not. The insult is to our medical professionals though. Who, to some fantasists on here, apparently conspired to pretend he was Ill when he wasn’t. No we didn’t. If his doctors said he was Ill, and they haven’t said otherwise since, then I reckon he was and the rest of you can do one.
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The "stunt" around this has nothing to do with getting healthcare professionals involved or misleading the public with false information about his treatment.

The "stunt" is the narrative Boris Johnson and his supporters surrounded themselves with to garner sympathy and support from the public. These are two completely different things.

Anyone suggesting Johnson nearly died is factually incorrect. Anyone suggesting that Doctors have lied about his treatment are also factually incorrect, that doesn’t do anything to stop others from lying about the severity of his Covid though.
 
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I think the inherent problem here is that Johnson is a known liar, therefore he pollutes everything and everyone around him.

As far as I'm aware, other than Johnson and his own supporters, nobody has said he was in mortal danger. I haven't seen any medical personnel comment on it at all.

Johnson said he was 50-50 on going on a ventilator but do I believe that? It could be 70-30 or 30-70.

It seems fairly clear, not just in Covid, that he believes that rules don't apply to him. And they don't. The worst case scenario for him is he gets to do the same speech over and over again at 250k a pop while pretending to be an MP.
 
exiledinboro said:
Nadine dorris thinks the Diary entry may have the wrong names

With regards to diary entries and who writes the notes she says

"They are completed by junior civil servants in the private office and they are frequently wrong! The detail the wrong people, the wrong places, the wrong times, and the wrong dates even."

I don't know about anyone else but that makes the most sense to me
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She is as disgusting as Johnson. Two skid marks smeared across everything they touch.
 
exiledinboro said:
Nadine dorris thinks the Diary entry may have the wrong names

With regards to diary entries and who writes the notes she says

"They are completed by junior civil servants in the private office and they are frequently wrong! The detail the wrong people, the wrong places, the wrong times, and the wrong dates even."

I don't know about anyone else but that makes the most sense to me
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Even his diaries lie?
 
FishofContemplation said:
You seriously think that “patient confidentiality” would
(a) persuade a doctor to give medically unnecessary treatment to a patient ahead of someone who needed it in the midst of a massive public health emergency and in contradiction to all his professional ethics because some Tory bloke told him to;
(b) keep schtumm about it for three years.

No chance at all. And an insult to his doctors frankly. You’re letting your obsession run away with you.
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It's been proven that he wasn't close to death that the message was a lie.

There were freedom of information requests where the resulting response is clear, that Doctors were NOT preparing for his death and indeed he was never in a scenario where he was in grave danger.

The FoI can't state specifics, but it was able to state that there is no corroborating information aligned to what Johnson claimed. So therefore it cannot be shared because there is nothing.
 
exiledinboro said:
Nadine dorris thinks the Diary entry may have the wrong names

With regards to diary entries and who writes the notes she says

"They are completed by junior civil servants in the private office and they are frequently wrong! The detail the wrong people, the wrong places, the wrong times, and the wrong dates even."

I don't know about anyone else but that makes the most sense to me
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I can’t tell if that last sentence is real….
 
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