Ironops
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In 2019 Corbyn lost 60 seatsHe lost 91 seats. Corbyn gained 30.
In 2019 Corbyn lost 60 seatsHe lost 91 seats. Corbyn gained 30.
Jack - I meant more than a Cameron coalition government. Brown is on record saying cuts had to be made but Labour wouldn't have been as brutal as Osborne. Tory Austerity achieved nothing but make those worse off even more worse off. It creates the conditions for Brexit.We had one. It wasn't.
So what? Blair lost 54 between 97 and 05, and he was supposed to be popular and successful. And of course his own party weren't trying to lose.In 2019 Corbyn lost 60 seats
Exactly right. Labour have bizarrely never attempted to fight that. The conditions for greedy bankers were created by Thatcher and not even Blair dared take the City on. It was a house of cards and would have crashed regardless of who was in government.I don't hold Brown completely to blame for 2010 by the way. I thought that between 2008 and 2010 the Labour party as a whole just laid down and accepted all of the blame for the financial crash. It was not their fault but they showed absolutely no inclination to fight their corner. Brown was actually lauded in the rest of the world for showing the way out of the crisis. I liked him.
Same word I'd use to describe BoJo tbfOne word to describe Blair, liar
Shame you didn’t bump into me I’d have told you why I wouldn’t and couldn’t vote for him.Tony Blair did a deal with Murdoch. Every other Labour leader has been pilloried by the media. Massive, massive factor.
I was on the streets at the last election, lots of people were saying they usually vote Labour but wouldn’t vote Corbyn. I heard this a few times so asked them why. Nobody at all had an answer, other than “I dunno”.
Blair won in 2001 and 2005So what? Blair lost 54 between 97 and 05, and he was supposed to be popular and successful. And of course his own party weren't trying to lose.
Hi Aet,Shame you didn’t bump into me I’d have told you why I wouldn’t and couldn’t vote for him.
But then I live in one of the safest Conservative seats in the entire country. Only canvassing we get round here is the incumbent MP standing on the high street for half an hour one morning during the campaign just so we remember what he looks like. Our Labour candidate in 2019 was jettisoned in from 100 miles away at the last minute, when the local councillor who was originally going to stand accidentally liked an anti Semitic post on Facebook….
That sums up how it feels to me too. I don't personally disagree with a lot of the Corbyn economic agenda, his naivety over foreign policy always irritated me, but at the end of the day Labour achieves nothing in opposition and the only way to win elections in our system is by gaining marginal seats. You gain those seats by attracting floating voters.....Corbyn couldn't do that, yes he energised radicals who might have been previously disengaged but the demographics of that don't add up to victory in our system. I always look back to 2015, which was closer in terms of vote percentage than seats won, a lot of this was down to the Tory resources (illegally) going to key marginals.I’ve binged the whole series.
I’m off work sick and incredibly bored.
Struck me in the first episode that Labour under Foot is just like Labour under Corbyn and Labour under Kinnock is just like Labour under Starmer.
also how much of a presidential campaign Blair ran and won in 1997.
Had forgotten how toxic the Iraq war was. And how it completely overshadowed all the good Blair did.
It’s such a shame the Labour Party are a completely useless opposition now. Voted Labour all my life but they lost me years ago (and not to the Tories before anyone starts)
If they decided to come back in I reckon either Blair or Brown could easily become PM again.Just finished watching this, it's a great documentary. It also shows how weak the government politicians of today are compared with many from that time. Gordon Brown was a proper politician and it's shocking how Britain has managed to elect an absolute chancer in Johnson. It's a shame on anyone who voted for that cretin.
Edit; Tony Blair was also a proper politician.
Hague and Duncan-Smith, I thought were a bit weak as leader material. Cameron was a tougher opponent and Johnson. Maybe its the Etonian education.If they decided to come back in I reckon either Blair or Brown could easily become PM again.
Johnson is a funny guy but that wears off and the Tories don't really have anyone else.
The **** stuff Blair and Brown did was stuff the Tories would've done, possibly worse.