Bizarre management?

goalscrounger

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If (and this is an unsubstantiated if) Akpom is strutting around like he doesn't give a **** then surely it makes perfect sense not to contaminate the team spirit on an away trip?
 

weemoby

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Was it about Akpom that the manager said he was having interrupted sleep due to a recent baby? And that was having a negative impact on this game.

Or was that about someone else?
 

asredastheycome

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I’m honestly not sure if Warnock is trying to make a point here, regarding recruitment. I’m not convinced he wanted Akpom and his signing is purely down to the recruitment team, which has been known for seasons is p@as poor.

Im probably totally wrong but it seems strange that he’d be left out of Warnock chose to buy this player.
Do you think Warnock is not a strong enough person to say "I don't want him" if he in fact didn't. Why do people praise his signings and a soon as there is a dud its down to the recruitment team. He would not let the recruitment team dictate to him. He might not have been his first choice(remember we had the guy who was overweight first) but he was his choice.

Maybe he is correct in what he gives has his reasons.
 

go-nads!

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Do you think Warnock is not a strong enough person to say "I don't want him" if he in fact didn't. Why do people praise his signings and a soon as there is a dud its down to the recruitment team. He would not let the recruitment team dictate to him. He might not have been his first choice(remember we had the guy who was overweight first) but he was his choice.

Maybe he is correct in what he gives has his reasons.
I’m not saying that, I’m suggesting that Akpom is the best they have come up with and as usual the forward isn’t good enough. The club has a history of signing players managers haven’t wanted.
 

viv_andersons_nana

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I’m not saying that, I’m suggesting that Akpom is the best they have come up with and as usual the forward isn’t good enough. The club has a history of signing players managers haven’t wanted.
It doesn’t. What it does have is a history of managers taking credit for signings only to then attempt to distance themselves from those that don’t work out.
 

BoroMart

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“I didn’t want to waste his time.”

This is what Warnock said when asked why Akpom wasn’t involved. He said he was only going to bring one striker on and it would be Coburn, so Akpom travelling would be wasting his time and he’d “probably be quite happy” he could stay at home.

The club are paying Akpom’s wages. Should they be asking why they are paying for players to sit on their arses while their teammates are off playing games? Or why we are leaving fit, senior players out when we can’t fill a bench?

I don’t understand this style of management, I have to be honest. It is weird.
It's calearly an attempt to force Akpom to look for a move elsewhere. He has already said he wants three new strikers too, we don't need 4 if we only play 1 up top.
 

BoroMart

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Just for the record I don't rate Akpom at all, according to wiki he's scored 5 in 36 for us and when be was at Hull 3 in 36.
I reckon I could score 5 goals in 36 games if I hung around the penalty box, which is effectively what Akpom does. His movement is poor, he's not aggressive enough, no threat in the air and his first touch is just OK. I would sell him if we could...
I agree his goal scoring record isn't great, and the assessment that he doesn't attack the ball with enough desire and aggression is true, but to just put it in proper context, he has played a lot of games on the wing in his career.

He has 5 goals but has only played approx 1856 mins as a championship CF. That's about 20 matches, but at a goal every 4 full matches, clearly isn't enough.
 

festa5

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Sounds like a falling out behind the scenes. Doesn't seem like great man management and it was a strange signing at the time, even more with hindsight.

BUT

Warnock has shown throughout his career he gets more right than wrong at this level and the majority of the squad seem to be behind him.

He's a sly old fox, I think he'll expect fans to read between the lines on his comments, while pleading innocence if Akpom gets the hump. He'll be off in the summer, possibly on loan (because I doubt anyone will pay his old wages).
 

go-nads!

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It doesn’t. What it does have is a history of managers taking credit for signings only to then attempt to distance themselves from those that don’t work out.Pho.
No.

Downing
Juninho
Rhodes
Bamford
Gestede
Alves

All have been signed by the club not the manager, I’m positive there are more. We have a transfer policy that doesn’t work. We just lost over £30 odd million in transfer signings alone on forwards that were rubbish. Whilst selling forwards who could and have done a job in this division.

Managers have come and gone, the same errors are repeated. And for the record I’m not a warnock fan, I don’t see his appointment as anyway progressive. Even if we were to be promoted, I don’t see his way of doing things and the squad he builds as being prepared for top flight survival, so what’s the point? Getting another budget into the club to wasted again.

The club will not be a success until the infrastructure off the pitch is in place. Anything else is simply firefighting.
 

indeedido

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He may well have been happy to sign Akpom at the time, as he did say he was, but may have been as disappointed as many have with the player he signed and want to move him on now.
I wish the club had done the same with the puddings Gestede, Assombolonga and Fletcher and got rid of them three years earlier than they did.
Everyone makes a mistake with a signing, dealing with that mistake quickly is to be commended.
 

S7DiscoDown

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He may well have been happy to sign Akpom at the time, as he did say he was, but may have been as disappointed as many have with the player he signed and want to move him on now.
I wish the club had done the same with the puddings Gestede, Assombolonga and Fletcher and got rid of them three years earlier than they did.
Everyone makes a mistake with a signing, dealing with that mistake quickly is to be commended.
We couldn't move on Britt / Fletcher and Rudy due to massive wages. We could have put them on sale for 1mil but why leave for another champo club who'd pay half of what we are?

I guess with Akpom we will get some money back. The other 3 duds nothing for an outlay of 28mil😕
 

brain_in_a_jar

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We couldn't move on Britt / Fletcher and Rudy due to massive wages. We could have put them on sale for 1mil but why leave for another champo club who'd pay half of what we are?

I guess with Akpom we will get some money back. The other 3 duds nothing for an outlay of 28mil😕

we turned down a £6,000000 bid from leeds for rudy! I'm not having they didn't know what his wage was and weren't prepared to match it.

On Akpom Warnock can be a bit of a kn0b we all know it, some players love him others don't, he's obviously got some agrow going on with akpom and isn't going to play him. Its up to gibbo to pick that up, personally I think warnock's record of signing strikers fills me with no confidence - if we're going to let him buy 3 of the fekkers this summer then I think we'll be left with more than 1 akpom. Just look at his beloved cardiff they look like making a 5000000 loss on one of warnocks buys. Doesn't make much mention of that though does he.
 

indeedido

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The club could have sold Gestede and didn't.
They could have sold Assombolonga after the play off season and got some money back, but sold Bamford instead.
They could have recouped some money for Fletcher.
They got nothing from them staying and have let them all go for nothing.

If we cut our losses on Akpom that is better than dropping the whole £2.75m and three years of wages.
 

viv_andersons_nana

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No.

Downing
Juninho
Rhodes
Bamford
Gestede
Alves

All have been signed by the club not the manager, I’m positive there are more. We have a transfer policy that doesn’t work. We just lost over £30 odd million in transfer signings alone on forwards that were rubbish. Whilst selling forwards who could and have done a job in this division.

Managers have come and gone, the same errors are repeated. And for the record I’m not a warnock fan, I don’t see his appointment as anyway progressive. Even if we were to be promoted, I don’t see his way of doing things and the squad he builds as being prepared for top flight survival, so what’s the point? Getting another budget into the club to wasted again.

The club will not be a success until the infrastructure off the pitch is in place. Anything else is simply firefighting.
Those players, everyone mentions them but nobody mentions, say, Clayton or Ayala or Tomlin. Or Vossen. Or Nugent, or Shay Given. Do you think Karanka hand-picked those players as well? Or do you think the club run a recruitment staff who are actively scouting and recommending players to a manager or head coach who knows full well what the system is before a ball is kicked or a player is bought? I don't get why some of our supporters seem to think our men in the dugout are shrinking violets who have to suffer a dysfunctional club forcing their dysfunctional signings onto them. Do you really see Karanka, Warnock, Pulis sitting back and allowing Bausor or someone sat behind a computer to spend their budget, hamper the sessions and team team set-up when it is their jobs on the line? Or do you not think there is even a slight chance that will be some sort of collaborative element behind what the club do when looking at players and potential signings? And some of these managers who have players forced onto them, why don't any of them ever resign? Presumably they've been lied to, or misled, about the way the club works in the build-up to them being appointed? Who would want to manage/work for a club that buys players without his consent?

How come the club and/or recruitment staff are criticised for signing Alves when Southgate didn't want him but not credited with signing Luke Young or Tuncay? Or Robert Huth. What makes people leave those players out of these lists? Is it because they were actually quite good for us? Why do people always mention Rhodes and Downing but never Nugent and Tomlin? Or Adam Clayton? Do you think Karanka personally scouted each and every signing or do you think they were recommended to him and he snapped the club's hands off because they were better players than he had at his disposal at the time and gave us, and him, a much better chance of promotion? And people used to mention Guedioura in those lists as well didn't they, up until Karanka took him to Forest.

If you are saying the club forced players onto Southgate and Karanka then why have I barely ever read anyone saying the same about Garry Monk? In fact if you read about Monk's time here you'd see that the club actually appear to give the manager too much of a free hand in terms of signings, which is the opposite of what a lot of people seem to believe.

I said this on here a short while ago - our recruitment staff were routinely hammered for signing Bola and Dijksteel. Now they're playing well it's forgotten. You never see anybody saying "one of our scouts has a good eye and the club have picked up two decent lads for a couple of million." Nobody mentions those players any more really. The club were being criticised for doing things on the cheap, or trying to. For trying to buy from lower down the pyramid in the hope of developing and selling on for profit but, of course, getting it wrong. Warnock quite rightly gets praise for getting a tune out of them - the improvement in those two since Warnock arrived has been remarkable - but someone at our club was involved in actively scouting and researching them before they were signed.

What I don't understand is the constant attempts to put distance between managers and signings made under them who haven't worked, whilst not applying the same context or rules to those that have. How do people make the distinction between the signings? It would be interesting to know how people decide. I like to think of it as Gary Gill Syndrome. If a player is sh*t then Gary Gill signed him. If a player is good it was the manager in place at the time. It is something that has been going on since Mowbray brought Gary Gill in as a scout ten years ago.
 
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Ex Footy Legs

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We had two spare places on the bench. EFL teams are allowed to use 5 out of 9 subs. We had 7.

It was a bizarre explanation from NW if nothing else.
Not for the fans who can read between the lines it wasn’t. Akpom is toast and rightly so
Warnock can’t say that as he is trying to get money for him for our CLUB
don’t you get it ???!!!
 

Ex Footy Legs

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The club could have sold Gestede and didn't.
They could have sold Assombolonga after the play off season and got some money back, but sold Bamford instead.
They could have recouped some money for Fletcher.
They got nothing from them staying and have let them all go for nothing.

If we cut our losses on Akpom that is better than dropping the whole £2.75m and three years of wages.
Utter rubbish
 

coluka

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It doesn’t. What it does have is a history of managers taking credit for signings only to then attempt to distance themselves from those that don’t work out.

Actually no. AK referred to gifts straight after the signings of Forshaw and Rhodes, he was distancing himself from day one. In Jan 2017 he referred to signing Championship standard striker (Gestede and Bamford, although I concede he was not against Bamford coming in). AK was very clear Gestede and Bamford were not the standard he needed in his immediate fight to keep up. Recruitment processes are flawed, hence Warnock wanting players formerly scouted like the good old days and not via video or electronic stats. Stats can be manipulated or misinterpreted, they do not show the full picture. Warnock needed a striker, Moore, he went elsewhere. Recruitment identified Akpom, Warnock had little to go on other than clips and stats. It was a gamble the club put forward and was better than nothing. His reaction since says it all.
 
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