Berwick Hills

Randy said:
Spot on.
I'm getting a little sick of excuses been made for these little scrotes and their parents.
"Waaaa no youth clubs"
"Waaa we are poor so can't afford to discipline our children"
"Waaaa they haven't got a gather figure in their lives because of 'reasons'.

As similar to you Carrick, I wasn't well off but wasn't poor either growing up but was absolutely terrified of doing anything that would get me into trouble with my parents.
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Still am Randy, and I'm 35! Wouldn't even swear in front of our mam.

It's just lazy to blame others.. the state, the council, the school... etc etc. Can't be arsed to take responsibility themselves.

You're responsible for your own child's behaviour, their development as a person.

Unfortunately, they know no different, as their own parents were the same. Generation after generation, habits passed on and passed on.
 
CarrickBall said:
Still am Randy, and I'm 35! Wouldn't even swear in front of our mam.

It's just lazy to blame others.. the state, the council, the school... etc etc. Can't be arsed to take responsibility themselves.

You're responsible for your own child's behaviour, their development as a person.

Unfortunately, they know no different, as their own parents were the same. Generation after generation, habits passed on and passed on.
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Same too mate. Think I've sworn in front of my mum once and I'm 38. Even then that was during a conversation about work.
Exactly what you say. Generations of it. We all know who they are.
Youth clubs do a grand total of **** all but delay the inevitable.

A quick solution would be, your caught doing anti social things your spending a night in the cells and an appearance in court or a large fine directed towards the parents if your under 18, BOTH parents split that fine equally regardless of financial situation. Oh and throw some community service in there too and if you sack that off your going to jail for a few weeks with a criminal record.

Time to get hard and stamp it out.
 
Randy said:
Same too mate. Think I've sworn in front of my mum once and I'm 38. Even then that was during a conversation about work.
Exactly what you say. Generations of it. We all know who they are.
Youth clubs do a grand total of **** all but delay the inevitable.

A quick solution would be, your caught doing anti social things your spending a night in the cells and an appearance in court or a large fine directed towards the parents if your under 18, BOTH parents split that fine equally regardless of financial situation. Oh and throw some community service in there too and if you sack that off your going to jail for a few weeks with a criminal record.

Time to get hard and stamp it out.
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What if the parent refuses to pay the fine, do we then jail the parent and if so, do we then take the kids into care?

We need to break the cycle and giving a teenager a criminal record will blight their chances of employment in the future. They then grow up living on state benefits, having unruly children and the cycle begins again at the cost of the tax payer.
 
IR35 said:
What sensible parents let their kids run wild hanging around places they don’t need to be and get arrested?.Too many parents think it’s the states responsibility to parent their children not them. are kids wearing balaclavas and attacking people with sticks because there are no Youth clubs, I think not.
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No one mentioned not having youth clubs, we have very good youth clubs, I have no idea why you even mention that.
Sadly that is just lazy stereotyping.
 
"Time to get hard and stamp it out."
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A balance has to be struck.
You cant blame parents for the failure of the state.
Planning and preparation prevents poor parenting and protection of people.
If you dont invest in our communities you alienate people.
In a country where we have been fed over 40 years of "me,me,me" is it any wonder that the sense of "community" in many areas has been replaced by fear and a feeling of helplessness and hopelessness.
If people want to help to minimise opportunities for ASB we have to build in our estates and homes from the bottom up.
Instead of asking and waiting - we can organise projects and support for ourselves and everyone where we live - children, young people and the elderly. Its not pie-in-the-sky, its about getting off our arses and stop complaining. I dont mean vigilantes either.
Its hard work to begin with and there will always be those who sneer and doubt. Those who have the answer to everything and criticise - but do nothing.
They have to be ignored, and those who want to try and help their communities, have to be encouraged.
Its hard work - and we arent usually taught how to speak and stand up for our communities - it doesnt benefit the rich and powerful to educate the working class to be assertive.
Start with a basic idea and take small steps.
Its worked in places I`ve lived and live now.
Some will want to come on board, others will tell you its a waste of time.
Unity is strength.
Give it a go.
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Norman_Conquest said:
What if the parent refuses to pay the fine, do we then jail the parent and if so, do we then take the kids into care?

We need to break the cycle and giving a teenager a criminal record will blight their chances of employment in the future. They then grow up living on state benefits, having unruly children and the cycle begins again at the cost of the tax payer.
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Parents are ultimately responsible for the behaviour of their children.

Or do we continue to Molly coddle these kids running riot? Because that's been so successful so far.

When you were a kid Norman were you hanging around outside supermarkets in balaclavas or punching women in broad daylight? I'm going to assume the answer is no and I'm going to assume it's because you were brought up correctly and understand that for every action there is a consequence.
 
Randy said:
Parents are ultimately responsible for the behaviour of their children.

Or do we continue to Molly coddle these kids running riot? Because that's been so successful so far.

When you were a kid Norman were you hanging around outside supermarkets in balaclavas or punching women in broad daylight? I'm going to assume the answer is no and I'm going to assume it's because you were brought up correctly and understand that for every action there is a consequence.
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Yeh 'come on young'ens, don't abuse that elderly woman, come and join this arts & crafts session at the community centre' approach isn't going to cut it.
 
Randy said:
Parents are ultimately responsible for the behaviour of their children.

Or do we continue to Molly coddle these kids running riot? Because that's been so successful so far.

When you were a kid Norman were you hanging around outside supermarkets in balaclavas or punching women in broad daylight? I'm going to assume the answer is no and I'm going to assume it's because you were brought up correctly and understand that for every action there is a consequence.
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I understand that what you describe is unacceptable but now ask yourself why they are doing it.

My parents always took a great interest in what I was doing and who I was with and my behaviour would be challenged. This continued when I was an apprentice at Smiths Dock and would have to answer to my journeyman if I stepped out of line in the community.

The parents of the kids you are talking about will be glad they are out of the house and out from under their feet.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
I understand that what you describe is unacceptable but now ask yourself why they are doing it.

My parents always took a great interest in what I was doing and who I was with and my behaviour would be challenged. This continued when I was an apprentice at Smiths Dock and would have to answer to my journeyman if I stepped out of line in the community.

The parents of the kids you are talking about will be glad they are out of the house and out from under their feet.
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I think we're in agreement then aren't we... parenting is the issue.

The parents don't give a ****, and the child lives in a lawless environment with no rules or boundaries.

No discipline, no right from wrong, do what you like.
 
CarrickBall said:
Yeh 'come on young'ens, don't abuse that elderly woman, come and join this arts & crafts session at the community centre' approach isn't going to cut it.
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What a silly reply.

I went to a youth centre four nights a week and never once took part in arts and crafts. I played 5 a side at Grangetown Boys Club, table tennis and snooker at Sarah Metcalf YC and the Methodist in Normanby always had a good selection of music.

I have also worked in youth centres, carried out outreach on the streets and would be the last person you would ask to get arty.

So don't try and get clever with your churlish remarks about arty crafty youth centres.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
What a silly reply.

I went to a youth centre four nights a week and never once took part in arts and crafts. I played 5 a side at Grangetown Boys Club, table tennis and snooker at Sarah Metcalf YC and the Methodist in Normanby always had a good selection of music.

I have also worked in youth centres, carried out outreach on the streets and would be the last person you would ask to get arty.

So don't try and get clever with your churlish remarks about arty crafty youth centres.
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My point Norman is the feral little ***** aren't interested. Inviting them to social clubs, community clubs.. you'll get laughed at, probably abused.

They need to understand discipline, the rules of society.. hand holding them to a community centre won't work.

Go to Norfolk shops and try and get the attention of a group of anti-social youths to tell them about a game of 5-a-side or a youth centre and see what response you get (it's not your/our responsibility by the way... you/we shouldn't have to.. the parents should be doing it).
 
Norman_Conquest said:
What a silly reply.

I went to a youth centre four nights a week and never once took part in arts and crafts. I played 5 a side at Grangetown Boys Club, table tennis and snooker at Sarah Metcalf YC and the Methodist in Normanby always had a good selection of music.

I have also worked in youth centres, carried out outreach on the streets and would be the last person you would ask to get arty.

So don't try and get clever with your churlish remarks about arty crafty youth centres.
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I loved the youthy, we had a couple in Billingham back then and a couple of nights associated with schools/colleges.

The community centre youth clubs are long gone but there's more events for the middle aged than there used to be (yoga, pilates, men's shed etc).

I know policing the youth clubs became more difficult as alcohol became more accessible for under 18s.
 
CarrickBall said:
My point Norman is the feral little ***** aren't interested. Inviting them to social clubs, community clubs.. you'll get laughed at, probably abused.

They need to understand discipline, the rules of society.. hand holding them to a community centre won't work.

Go to Norfolk shops and try and get the attention of a group of anti-social youths to tell them about a game of 5-a-side or a youth centre and see what response you get (it's not your/our responsibility by the way... you/we shouldn't have to.. the parents should be doing it).
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Our youth clubs were full of the people who would late become football hooligans, so I'm not sure that would be the case.

A safe, warm place to socialise where there isn't domestic violence on tap could be tempting to 'the scrotes'.
 
CarrickBall said:
My point Norman is the feral little ***** aren't interested. Inviting them to social clubs, community clubs.. you'll get laughed at, probably abused.

They need to understand discipline, the rules of society.. hand holding them to a community centre won't work.

Go to Norfolk shops and try and get the attention of a group of anti-social youths to tell them about a game of 5-a-side or a youth centre and see what response you get (it's not your/our responsibility by the way... you/we shouldn't have to.. the parents should be doing it).
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That is where you are wrong, they might not engage at first but you have to be persistent with it and adapt your strategies to suit the person.

As Corgaigh says, there is more going on for adults than young people.

I was a member of the Teesside Woodturners based in Hemlington with sessions held on a Wednesday evening. There would be 50 kids outside on the play area getting up to no good. On two separate occasions, one of the kids run in and grabbed the £1 entry fee box and must have got away with £18 each time. They came when I was there and started shouting through and instead of chasing them, I brought a group of them in and showed them what we did, allowed them to have a go and they never bothered again.
 
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