Berwick Hills

ThatFragranceGuy said:
Some phones when locked can be used abroad still, others are sold for spares, some use social engineering to try get the pin /password and some will attempt to sell the phone anyway and say it just needs wiping or whatever, duping someone else into buying it

The market is harder for thieves but they can still make money unfortunately
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Gumtree/Shpock/FB marketplace full of nicked shït.
 
Its been taking down surprise surprise i guess its police evidence or the the people responsible are now $hitting themselves
 
I was brought up in ts3 and lived there as an adult too for a while, always been a rough and ready area but this feels different. These kids seem down right nasty pieces of work, needs more police presence round there for a start, don't really know what a protest will achieve personally but good luck to them, more funding needed for police seems like the only way.
 
I thought Andy Preston made a big song and dance not so long back about getting troublesome families evicted, time to put up Andy.
 
If the police and social housing providers work together through the police providing sufficient evidence that meets the civil burden of proof, the housing providers can then serve Notices Of Seeking Possession on their parents and then apply for possession via the courts. The police can attend the court hearing as witnesses with evidence gained. Assuming the evidence is proven, then the judge may award a possession order or a suspended possession order. It would really help if the Supermarket and some brave locals would give evidence too to show community fears (thats usually the hard bit)

It may be that a judge, if satisfied, might initially only award a Suspended Possession Order, placing terms on the parents that if breached (by a serious breach, not minor) means an outright possession order can then be applied for and may be eventually gained. Having a hold over the accommodation is a useful tool to keep families in check but the police and housing provider have to work in unison throughout along with some within the community. It can be done.
 
the_holgate_roof said:
Looks like another assault by these vermin at Norfolk Shops, young lad assaulted, whilst with his mother, the mothers nose broken, whilst they were with a 4 year old sister aswell, large group of youths, apparently going to be a large protest down there on Saturday, they must know who these scum are and which scum families they come from, make the parents responsible, make them suffer, it is the only way.
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I have just had a police update, the 4 lads are in police custody and the police are chucking the book at these lads, sadly their ages mean they will likely be on the streets or at home again tonight.

The protest is something we are talking to the organisers about.
4 years ago the mayor promised to stop ASB. it was always a folly promise because in truth there is limited actions councils can take, this is mostly a police matter.
 
TheLodger said:
I have just had a police update, the 4 lads are in police custody and the police are chucking the book at these lads, sadly their ages mean they will likely be on the streets or at home again tonight.

The protest is something we are talking to the organisers about.
4 years ago the mayor promised to stop ASB. it was always a folly promise because in truth there is limited actions councils can take, this is mostly a police matter.
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What does chucking the book at them mean, realise they may be out again but what consequences are they to expect, will they be in court??
 
TheLodger said:
I have just had a police update, the 4 lads are in police custody and the police are chucking the book at these lads, sadly their ages mean they will likely be on the streets or at home again tonight.

The protest is something we are talking to the organisers about.
4 years ago the mayor promised to stop ASB. it was always a folly promise because in truth there is limited actions councils can take, this is mostly a police matter.
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It is a police matter, funding seems to have disappeared for policing especially in areas such as ts3, where let's face it needs it more than most, I moved away for work not for anything else, I would move back there in a heartbeat but if my kids were young my anxiety would be thorugh the roof.
 
coluka said:
If the police and social housing providers work together through the police providing sufficient evidence that meets the civil burden of proof, the housing providers can then serve Notices Of Seeking Possession on their parents and then apply for possession via the courts. The police can attend the court hearing as witnesses with evidence gained. Assuming the evidence is proven, then the judge may award a possession order or a suspended possession order. It would really help if the Supermarket and some brave locals would give evidence too to show community fears (thats usually the hard bit)

It may be that a judge, if satisfied, might initially only award a Suspended Possession Order, placing terms on the parents that if breached (by a serious breach, not minor) means an outright possession order can then be applied for and may be eventually gained. Having a hold over the accommodation is a useful tool to keep families in check but the police and housing provider have to work in unison throughout along with some within the community. It can be done.
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This is exactly what is required, and it needs to happen before somebody is killed.
 
TheLodger said:
I have just had a police update, the 4 lads are in police custody and the police are chucking the book at these lads, sadly their ages mean they will likely be on the streets or at home again tonight.

The protest is something we are talking to the organisers about.
4 years ago the mayor promised to stop ASB. it was always a folly promise because in truth there is limited actions councils can take, this is mostly a police matter.
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Keep them in the cells for a week, if that's the lifestyle they crave. A few 0600 wake up and slop outs may have a small affect on their attitude.
 
Lots of people round there will know who they all are. But they're obviously getting protected. I would out my son if he was going on like that I'd take him to the police myself.
 
the_holgate_roof said:
What does chucking the book at them mean, realise they may be out again but what consequences are they to expect, will they be in court??
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Yes they will be in court, I'm told the police are in no rush and might have to keep them in custody for close on the maximum limit, all houses have been searched and when they get to court, tomorrow morning most likely, the police are asking for maximum bail conditions, and police will ensure these are kept.
 
TheLodger said:
Yes they will be in court, I'm told the police are in no rush and might have to keep them in custody for close on the maximum limit, all houses have been searched and when they get to court, tomorrow morning most likely, the police are asking for maximum bail conditions, and police will ensure these are kept.
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This is really good news, hopefully it will be a message to others but I am doubtful, but time to play hardball with these scumbags, the courts need to support though if convicted.
 
TheLodger said:
I have just had a police update, the 4 lads are in police custody and the police are chucking the book at these lads, sadly their ages mean they will likely be on the streets or at home again tonight.

The protest is something we are talking to the organisers about.
4 years ago the mayor promised to stop ASB. it was always a folly promise because in truth there is limited actions councils can take, this is mostly a police matter.
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I have worked with these types of kids in East Cleveland and throwing the book at them won't help. The kids aren't the problem but the parents are and the lack of parenting skills. The government needs to be investing heavily in Sure Start programmes (or something similar) to give these communities a chance of thriving and the support the parents need. Giving the kids a criminal record just blights their chances later in life and the cycle continues.

If I was part of the council I would be looking at outreach youth workers being based around the shops and engaging the kids in some kind of activity - Does the council still have access to the youth service bus?

If we go down the route that Coluka suggests, and I have been part of in the past, it is no good just moving them on without putting in support in place otherwise we are passing the problem on to some other area.

This problem is all down to cuts after cuts that the government has placed on our local councils. Everything I have mentioned was in place in the past.
 
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the_holgate_roof said:
If Police don’t have the appetite or resources, then maybe it would need a little bit of street justice? People need to remove these vermin,
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the_holgate_roof said:
Looks like another assault by these vermin at Norfolk Shops, young lad assaulted, whilst with his mother, the mothers nose broken, whilst they were with a 4 year old sister aswell, large group of youths, apparently going to be a large protest down there on Saturday, they must know who these scum are and which scum families they come from, make the parents responsible, make them suffer, it is the only way.
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You don't live there. Be careful what you are posting.
 
Norfolkred1 said:
Keep them in the cells for a week, if that's the lifestyle they crave. A few 0600 wake up and slop outs may have a small affect on their attitude.
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Nobody would disagree with how awful this situation is at the minute. The frustrations are understandable, I can't imagine how intimidating and helpless the locals must feel. But illegal nonsense like this isn't going to help.

Coluka has outlined clearly how authorities can work together for a longer term resolution.

I would add that there should be a dispersal order put on place by police immediately with a view to looking at inserting a public space protection order to manage the locality effectively to minimise gatherings. The former legislation is really quick, and the latter isn't but it's there to be used.

The problem really though, it's that any legislation is only as good as the resource you have to enforce it. I know that doesn't exist and thus it'll be useless.

We must move back to Neighbourhood policing properly as soon as we possibly can and we need to find public services properly
 
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Norman_Conquest said:
I have worked with these types of kids in East Cleveland and throwing the book at them won't help. The kids aren't the problem but the parents are and the lack of parenting skills. The government needs to be investing heavily in Sure Start programmes (or something similar) to give these communities a chance of thriving and the support the parents need. Giving the kids a criminal record just blights their chances later in life and the cycle continues.

If I was part of the council I would be looking at outreach youth workers being based around the shops and engaging the kids in some kind of activity - Does the council still have access to the youth service bus?

If we go down the route that Coluka suggests, and I have been part of in the past, it is no good just moving them on without putting in support in place otherwise we are passing the problem on to some other area.

This problem is all down to cuts after cuts that the government has placed on our local councils. Everything I have mentioned was in place in the past.
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Sadly youth services have been cut to the bone.

I have made it clear to residents, most know my feelings on Preston, but I don't think it's fair to totally blame him, he isn't the one committing criminal acts- as I have said, it's a police issues that needs council help, and sadly councils ability to help because of government budget cuts has been diminishing every year.
 
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