Berwick Hills

[IR35]

So if their parents ta

I understand that what you describe is unacceptable but now ask yourself why they are doing it.

My parents always took a great interest in what I was doing and who I was with and my behaviour would be challenged. This continued when I was an apprentice at Smiths Dock and would have to answer to my journeyman if I stepped out of line in the community.

The parents of the kids you are talking about will be glad they are out of the house and out from under their feet.

ke no interest in them as you said then that reinforces the point about bad parenting surely. The kids these days know their rights but not their responsibilities and that should come from the home.

 

[AcklamAngel]

Two words:

National.
Service.

Totally agree. I was brought up in the 60’s & 70’s school discipline helped the unruly kids in order. Since school discipline disappeared then the scrotes decided they could get away with anything. Too many police series over the years have also given them ideas, NO COMMENT as an example. Courts need to be more stricter and give out tougher penalties, if under 18 parents pay. If can’t pay then they do unpaid community work. Litter picking , cutting grass, they just maybe get some sort of pride in the area

 

[Norman_Conquest]

So if their parents ta

ke no interest in them as you said then that reinforces the point about bad parenting surely. The kids these days know their rights but not their responsibilities and that should come from the home.

If you read this thread properly you will realise I have said it is poor parenting all the way through and it is the parents we should be working with.

 

[TheLodger]

At a guess, and a good educated guess, as I am on the front line; 85% of the causes of poor parenting is drugs.

 

[Trug]

Make the parents pay- it can only work up to a point.
What do you do with the kids who are in care where the parent is effectively the state? Fine the foster carers?
As for National Service-if you think for one minute I would trust someone who doesn't want to be there with looking out for me you can think again.
The only reason we had NS after the war was because Britain still had the remnants of an Empire to maintain and was short of manpower- Read "The Call Up"

 

[coluka]

Since my last comments, reading this thread has been interesting and despite the odd silly off the cuff remark some people have made some interesting comments but some are focussing on single issues, it is the fault of:
. The Parents
. The Council
. The Government
. Low pay/benefit system
. Austerity (funding cuts across all sectors)
. The Police
. Education
. The Kids themselves
. No National Service
. Housing
. Depravation
. ASB in general
. Career criminals and recruiting kids
. Poor justice systems
. Brexit (someone had to)
Etc, Etc, Etc

The reality is that It isn’t just one thing that is the issue, it is a multi faceted problem facing society in general. There is no one size fits all. Each family, each child within each family will have different genes, behaviours, respond differently to their own allotted life chances and how they personally react to whatever life throws there way. Some will bump along the bottom, so will work hard to improve personal opportunities, and all points in between.

In order to improve matters across society, it is an holistic approach that needs prioritising that covers a multitude of those societal factors to offer support where it is needed. Affordable housing, safer communities, job opportunities, increased and better policing, educational opportunities, Youth activities etc all cost money that is not being fairly distributed by the state, this MUST change asap.

Please everyone, stop just blaming other people, we all have a role and a responsibility to help where we can. We shouldn’t just shut our doors at night and point fingers at others. We all often judge others by our own lives and achievements, (i certainly do at times, quite wrongly) that's unfair because we are all unique, our unique genes play a part in who we are as does all of the above issues and it ain't a level playing field and the answers are as unique to every individual and each family unit and we have to accept not everyone is as bright and resourceful as we each may think we personally are. Yes, lots of people could take more responsibility for personal actions, behaviours and life choices, however, until you have walked a mile in someones shoes, you can never truly understand their plight, their reasoning, their guidance and how responsible it has been.

The one small thing we all can do, is use our vote wisely and exercise our option to look after what is best for others not necessarily ourselves, as our lives can be improved by lifting the lives of others and can be worsened by looking just after our own personal interests. We can all lobby MP’s, we can all lobby councillors, we can all put suggestions forward for leaders to consider, we can all volunteer and give an hour of our time for others in need. Blaming those causing the problems is the easy bit, solving them needs as many of us as we can muster to do our bit rather than always expecting others to solve things on our behalf.

 

[TheLodger]

Since my last comments, reading this thread has been interesting and despite the odd silly off the cuff remark some people have made some interesting comments but some are focussing on single issues, it is the fault of:
. The Parents
. The Council
. The Government
. Low pay/benefit system
. Austerity (funding cuts across all sectors)
. The Police
. Education
. The Kids themselves
. No National Service
. Housing
. Depravation
. ASB in general
. Career criminals and recruiting kids
. Poor justice systems
. Brexit (someone had to)
Etc, Etc, Etc

The reality is that It isn’t just one thing that is the issue, it is a multi faceted problem facing society in general. There is no one size fits all. Each family, each child within each family will have different genes, behaviours, respond differently to their own allotted life chances and how they personally react to whatever life throws there way. Some will bump along the bottom, so will work hard to improve personal opportunities, and all points in between.

In order to improve matters across society, it is an holistic approach that needs prioritising that covers a multitude of those societal factors to offer support where it is needed. Affordable housing, safer communities, job opportunities, increased and better policing, educational opportunities, Youth activities etc all cost money that is not being fairly distributed by the state, this MUST change asap.

Please everyone, stop just blaming other people, we all have a role and a responsibility to help where we can. We shouldn’t just shut our doors at night and point fingers at others. We all often judge others by our own lives and achievements, (i certainly do at times, quite wrongly) that's unfair because we are all unique, our unique genes play a part in who we are as does all of the above issues and it ain't a level playing field and the answers are as unique to every individual and each family unit and we have to accept not everyone is as bright and resourceful as we each may think we personally are. Yes, lots of people could take more responsibility for personal actions, behaviours and life choices, however, until you have walked a mile in someones shoes, you can never truly understand their plight, their reasoning, their guidance and how responsible it has been.

The one small thing we all can do, is use our vote wisely and exercise our option to look after what is best for others not necessarily ourselves, as our lives can be improved by lifting the lives of others and can be worsened by looking just after our own personal interests. We can all lobby MP’s, we can all lobby councillors, we can all put suggestions forward for leaders to consider, we can all volunteer and give an hour of our time for others in need. Blaming those causing the problems is the easy bit, solving them needs as many of us as we can muster to do our bit rather than always expecting others to solve things on our behalf.

 

[Redagain]

Yes, and the fact he just doesn't care, he pretends he cares, but if you stand next to him for 5 seconds, like I and many others have, he stinks of not caring.

Quick question Lodger.
You say Andy Preston does not care, yet I live in TS3 and I have seen him walking around our area and talk8ng to residents many times.
He and Donna were around here on Tuesday not long after this scum had knocked 7 bells out of the kid and his Mother.
They have been organising gatherings for months, possibly a couple of years, litter picking etc.
We told them about my break in over the weekend and they said they would try to progress things. Today I got an update.
If you walked past me in the street My friend I would not have a clue who you are.
Other than those ridiculous posters you have been putting in Norfolk Shop windows, we.never here a peep from or about you.

 

[Randy]

I understand that what you describe is unacceptable but now ask yourself why they are doing it.

My parents always took a great interest in what I was doing and who I was with and my behaviour would be challenged. This continued when I was an apprentice at Smiths Dock and would have to answer to my journeyman if I stepped out of line in the community.

The parents of the kids you are talking about will be glad they are out of the house and out from under their feet.

Which beggers the question. Why did they have them in the first place?

 

[TheLodger]

Quick question Lodger.
You say Andy Preston does not care, yet I live in TS3 and I have seen him walking around our area and talk8ng to residents many times.
He and Donna were around here on Tuesday not long after this scum had knocked 7 bells out of the kid and his Mother.
They have been organising gatherings for months, possibly a couple of years, litter picking etc.
We told them about my break in over the weekend and they said they would try to progress things. Today I got an update.
If you walked past me in the street My friend I would not have a clue who you are.
Other than those ridiculous posters you have been putting in Norfolk Shop windows, we.never here a peep from or about you.

We don't have any posters in Norfolk shops! So no idea what your talking about, (I don't believe that businesses should be getting involved in politics) when you saw Preston I was in Morrisons, Preston called in for 2 minutes, then walked away.

Please don't tell me Preston has been in Pallister Park because it's simply not true. If you live in Pally you will know my Cllr Facebook page, have a look at my posts and my History, then have a look at Donna's, see who is doing what, I don't meant this month, during elections times, go back 4/5/6 months and see what and who is actually in our community working and what we are doing.

 

[Redagain]

We don't have any posters in Norfolk shops! So no idea what your talking about, (I don't believe that businesses should be getting involved in politics) when you saw Preston I was in Morrisons, Preston called in for 2 minutes, then walked away.

Please don't tell me Preston has been in Pallister Park because it's simply not true. If you live in Pally you will know my Cllr Facebook page, have a look at my posts and my History, then have a look at Donna's, see who is doing what, I don't meant this month, during elections times, go back 4/5/6 months and see what and who is actually in our community working and what we are doing.

You see there's your problem, instead of selling yourself to me, you go onto attack, yet again, basically telling me I am a liar by saying they were not in Pally on Tuesday.
I must have been talking.to their respective twin brother and sister..
I have absolutely no idea who you are. I k own nothing about you other than what you put on here.
Sorry but you will not be getting my vote,

 

[TheLodger]

You see there's your problem, instead of selling yourself to me, you go onto attack, yet again, basically telling me I am a liar by saying they were not in Pally on Tuesday.
I must have been talking.to their respective twin brother and sister..
I have absolutely no idea who you are. I k own nothing about you other than what you put on here.
Sorry but you will not be getting my vote,

You should always vote for who you want.

The independents have the "ridiculous posters" in the shops" Not me; so even the truth isn't going to change your mind-I haven't called you a liar, I told you Preston was over Berwick Hills, he stopped for 2 mins in Morrisons, then left, looking for a photo opportunity no doubt.

If you want to vote for that, it's fine, you have your choice.

I am not attacking you, I'm just telling you the truth, if you don't want to hear it, then sadly there is very little I can do about that.

Have a good un.

Please look at our respective Facebook accounts for the last 5/6 months and see for yourself.

 

[Redagain]

You should always vote for who you want.

The independents have the "ridiculous posters" in the shops" Not me; so even the truth isn't going to change your mind-I haven't called you a liar, I told you Preston was over Berwick Hills, he stopped for 2 mins in Morrisons, then left, looking for a photo opportunity no doubt.

If you want to vote for that, it's fine, you have your choice.

I am not attacking you, I'm just telling you the truth, if you don't want to hear it, then sadly there is very little I can do about that.

Have a good un.

Please look at our respective Facebook accounts for the last 5/6 months and see for yourself.

"Please don't tell me Preston has been in Pallister Park because it's simply not true"
They are your words.in anybodies language that is saying I am not telling the truth.
They were in Pallister Park and I mean in the estate not the park. Myself and more than a few others were talking to them.
I also am not attacking you. I respect your political persuasion as much as you appear to respect mine.
Obviously I would not like you to reveal your name etc on here, but I don't know who you are. You are not prominent like others.
You ask me to check out your Facebook page. I can't, I don't know your name.

 

[TheLodger]

"Please don't tell me Preston has been in Pallister Park because it's simply not true"
They are your words.in anybodies language that is saying I am not telling the truth.
They were in Pallister Park and I mean in the estate not the park. Myself and more than a few others were talking to them.
I also am not attacking you. I respect your political persuasion as much as you appear to respect mine.
Obviously I would not like you to reveal your name etc on here, but I don't know who you are. You are not prominent like others.
You ask me to check out your Facebook page. I can't, I don't know your name.

You know who I am?

I am Councillor Ian Blades, my Facebook page is well known, but for any that don't know it's

Cllr Ian Blades & Cllr Julia Cooke: Berwick Hills & Pallister

Cllr Ian Blades & Cllr Julia Cooke: Berwick Hills & Pallister, Middlesbrough. 722 likes · 22 talking about this. Home of Labour Cllr Ian Blades & Cllr Julia Cooke We care about Berwick Hills and...

www.facebook.com

Happy to answer any questions, as my bio states, I am not and have never hid.

If people don't want me to represent them, then I'll be totally honest- I'll happily return to my working life where not only financially, I will be much better off, I won't have to bother working 24/7.

Cheers Ian

 

[Redagain]

You know who I am?

I am Councillor Ian Blades, my Facebook page is well known, but for any that don't know it's

Cllr Ian Blades & Cllr Julia Cooke: Berwick Hills & Pallister

Cllr Ian Blades & Cllr Julia Cooke: Berwick Hills & Pallister, Middlesbrough. 722 likes · 22 talking about this. Home of Labour Cllr Ian Blades & Cllr Julia Cooke We care about Berwick Hills and...

www.facebook.com

Happy to answer any questions, as my bio states, I am not and have never hid.

If people don't want me to represent them, then I'll be totally honest- I'll happily return to my working life where not only financially, I will be much better off, I won't have to bother working 24/7.

Cheers Ian

Thank you,
I appreciate you at least giving me the opportunity to see something about you. I honestly didn't or would expect you to reveal your name.
Just to prove I have had a quick.look, what would you to stop the decline in The town centre ( TK Maxx)

 

[TheLodger]

Thank you,
I appreciate you at least giving me the opportunity to see something about you. I honestly didn't or would expect you to reveal your name.
Just to prove I have had a quick.look, what would you to stop the decline in The town centre ( TK Maxx)

Hi Redagain, sadly with work I need to be in Glasgow for 9am tomorrow, so that means a 4am start, 3am alarm, I'm more than happy to chat, or reply to this when I have 10 mins, sadly tonight I don't.
My Phone number is on all my leaflets, I have nothing to hide, as a councillor my number should be public, I ask the public to vote for me, so my number is 07908498604, it's public and I'll talk to anyone if it makes a difference. I have just turned off my phone, it's back on at 4am.
Call me, you don't even have to give me your name.


Ian

 

[Ex Footy Legs]

Inadequate parenting, social media and almost a gang culture whereby kids are doing things and recording it to show their peers for approval.

I'd like to echo @Acklam_Lad. I have 3 boys, 2 of them are old enough to go out and mess about, take a ball out at dinnertime and come back for their tea and i trust them. They know that if they're caught on facebook doing something stupid, if someone i know texts me to tell me they've seen my kids doing something they shouldn't or if the police were to bring them home then my god they know their punishment from me is far worse than anything else they would face from anyone else and they know that while they stay on the straight and narrow, they live what i think is a happy, decent life. Its that mix of fear and respect that my kids have, that others don't.

You’re lucky enough to have had adequate or more than adequate role models during childhood but these youths haven’t and that creates a type of chaos so how do help/challenge this as a society and locally as a community
That’s the question

 

[Quicksilvera]

On the parenting angle, most of us are lucky In the fact that we had parents who loved and cared for us, a lot of these kids don’t. We need to invest in the youth now so they can parent properly and live normal crime free lives, this can happen if we vote in a fair government who will invest in these children’s futures and give them the right support.

 

[JackG]

Since my last comments, reading this thread has been interesting and despite the odd silly off the cuff remark some people have made some interesting comments but some are focussing on single issues, it is the fault of:
. The Parents
. The Council
. The Government
. Low pay/benefit system
. Austerity (funding cuts across all sectors)
. The Police
. Education
. The Kids themselves
. No National Service
. Housing
. Depravation
. ASB in general
. Career criminals and recruiting kids
. Poor justice systems
. Brexit (someone had to)
Etc, Etc, Etc

The reality is that It isn’t just one thing that is the issue, it is a multi faceted problem facing society in general. There is no one size fits all. Each family, each child within each family will have different genes, behaviours, respond differently to their own allotted life chances and how they personally react to whatever life throws there way. Some will bump along the bottom, so will work hard to improve personal opportunities, and all points in between.

In order to improve matters across society, it is an holistic approach that needs prioritising that covers a multitude of those societal factors to offer support where it is needed. Affordable housing, safer communities, job opportunities, increased and better policing, educational opportunities, Youth activities etc all cost money that is not being fairly distributed by the state, this MUST change asap.

Please everyone, stop just blaming other people, we all have a role and a responsibility to help where we can. We shouldn’t just shut our doors at night and point fingers at others. We all often judge others by our own lives and achievements, (i certainly do at times, quite wrongly) that's unfair because we are all unique, our unique genes play a part in who we are as does all of the above issues and it ain't a level playing field and the answers are as unique to every individual and each family unit and we have to accept not everyone is as bright and resourceful as we each may think we personally are. Yes, lots of people could take more responsibility for personal actions, behaviours and life choices, however, until you have walked a mile in someones shoes, you can never truly understand their plight, their reasoning, their guidance and how responsible it has been.

The one small thing we all can do, is use our vote wisely and exercise our option to look after what is best for others not necessarily ourselves, as our lives can be improved by lifting the lives of others and can be worsened by looking just after our own personal interests. We can all lobby MP’s, we can all lobby councillors, we can all put suggestions forward for leaders to consider, we can all volunteer and give an hour of our time for others in need. Blaming those causing the problems is the easy bit, solving them needs as many of us as we can muster to do our bit rather than always expecting others to solve things on our behalf.

Well said Coluka. A superb post.

 

[r00fie1]

Since my last comments, reading this thread has been interesting and despite the odd silly off the cuff remark some people have made some interesting comments but some are focussing on single issues, it is the fault of:
. The Parents
. The Council
. The Government
. Low pay/benefit system
. Austerity (funding cuts across all sectors)
. The Police
. Education
. The Kids themselves
. No National Service
. Housing
. Depravation
. ASB in general
. Career criminals and recruiting kids
. Poor justice systems
. Brexit (someone had to)
Etc, Etc, Etc

The reality is that It isn’t just one thing that is the issue, it is a multi faceted problem facing society in general. There is no one size fits all. Each family, each child within each family will have different genes, behaviours, respond differently to their own allotted life chances and how they personally react to whatever life throws there way. Some will bump along the bottom, so will work hard to improve personal opportunities, and all points in between.

In order to improve matters across society, it is an holistic approach that needs prioritising that covers a multitude of those societal factors to offer support where it is needed. Affordable housing, safer communities, job opportunities, increased and better policing, educational opportunities, Youth activities etc all cost money that is not being fairly distributed by the state, this MUST change asap.

Please everyone, stop just blaming other people, we all have a role and a responsibility to help where we can. We shouldn’t just shut our doors at night and point fingers at others. We all often judge others by our own lives and achievements, (i certainly do at times, quite wrongly) that's unfair because we are all unique, our unique genes play a part in who we are as does all of the above issues and it ain't a level playing field and the answers are as unique to every individual and each family unit and we have to accept not everyone is as bright and resourceful as we each may think we personally are. Yes, lots of people could take more responsibility for personal actions, behaviours and life choices, however, until you have walked a mile in someones shoes, you can never truly understand their plight, their reasoning, their guidance and how responsible it has been.

The one small thing we all can do, is use our vote wisely and exercise our option to look after what is best for others not necessarily ourselves, as our lives can be improved by lifting the lives of others and can be worsened by looking just after our own personal interests. We can all lobby MP’s, we can all lobby councillors, we can all put suggestions forward for leaders to consider, we can all volunteer and give an hour of our time for others in need. Blaming those causing the problems is the easy bit, solving them needs as many of us as we can muster to do our bit rather than always expecting others to solve things on our behalf.

Spot on