Because of Abbott & Corbyn

BoroMart said:
sure it can, illegal campaign funding, Cambridge Analytica stealing data, potential facebook criminality, collusion between independent groups, campaign lies/propoganda, and broken promises and that's before you get to the fact that they campaigned one discrete option (remain) vs at least 12 variants of leave, which made it an unfair and undemocratic referendum. I mean even today we hear brexiteers disagree what brexit meant and claiming this isn't the brexit I voted for while others say it's exactly what they wanted. But hey, you can't argue with the result, right :rolleyes:(n)
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The government issued a pro remain booklet to every household, that was not included in the remain funding. Unless I misunderstood it was a yes or no vote, I did not see which type of remain.

Personally I did not give a flying remain or leave, what I did care about is people calling Brexiteers,: thick as mince, racists, gammons, .. people on this site wishing old people to die. Even that it should rerun as poor people were incapable of knowing what they were voting for. Then our leader saying the outcome was fake news and will be ignored.
 
BoroMart said:
agreed, they set it up for a leave win, so it wasn't a democratic choice, votes were stolen and used to for the purpose that wasn't intended.
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Stolen? That's the first time I have heard that , how many? Which area? How do you know they were remain? Why hasn't the electoral legislators asked for a rerun.
 
Same_as_before said:
The government issued a pro remain booklet to every household, that was not included in the remain funding. Unless I misunderstood it was a yes or no vote, I did not see which type of remain.

Personally I did not give a flying remain or leave, what I did care about is people calling Brexiteers,: thick as mince, racists, gammons, .. people on this site wishing old people to die. Even that it should rerun as poor people were incapable of knowing what they were voting for. Then our leader saying the outcome was fake news and will be ignored.
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I hate this lie that the poor Brexiteers are somehow subject to abuse while they’ve been angelic.

Snowflake, melt, remoaner etc is the kind of remark I’ve seen just as much. To pretend the abuse is a one way thing is a compete and utter lie.

Also, I've yet to encounter any Brexiteer who accepts that large numbers of people did vote that was for racist reasons. Why?

Finally, since the referendum the number of racially motivated attacks in this country has escalated dramatically, because some of the racists who voted for Brexit feel their sick views are somehow legitimised.

Please tell me I'm wrong?
 
Not worth going over old ground here.

Brexit was sold on so many lies. Corbyn offered to renegotiate the deal (remember the oven ready deal that Johnson sold you?) and then put that deal to a further referendum. Leave, didn't want that. They had "won" after all. Personally, I thought voting on the actual deal rather than a collection of often contradictory promises and lies was a not unreasonable stance.

You've won, you get to have a "Brexit" delivered by the most corrupt and incompetent Government I have ever seen in this country.

I hope you like it when you get it...
 
Leavers knew what they voted for so none of them will complain when we end up with no deal, associated job losses and prices going up right? They'll all own it and agree it was a price worth paying surely? Because they definitely knew what they were voting for.

They'll definitely not blame the EU, or labour or "remoaners" I'm sure.
 
festa5 said:
Leavers knew what they voted for so none of them will complain when we end up with no deal, associated job losses and prices going up right? They'll all own it and agree it was a price worth paying surely? Because they definitely knew what they were voting for.

They'll definitely not blame the EU, or labour or "remoaners" I'm sure.
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Yep, they'll be finally 'getting their country back'.
 
WeeGord said:
I hate this lie that the poor Brexiteers are somehow subject to abuse while they’ve been angelic.

Snowflake, melt, remoaner etc is the kind of remark I’ve seen just as much. To pretend the abuse is a one way thing is a compete and utter lie.

Also, I've yet to encounter any Brexiteer who accepts that large numbers of people did vote that was for racist reasons. Why?

Finally, since the referendum the number of racially motivated attacks in this country has escalated dramatically, because some of the racists who voted for Brexit feel their sick views are somehow legitimised.

Please tell me I'm wrong?
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You're wrong
 
Same_as_before said:
The government issued a pro remain booklet to every household, that was not included in the remain funding. Unless I misunderstood it was a yes or no vote, I did not see which type of remain.

Personally I did not give a flying remain or leave, what I did care about is people calling Brexiteers,: thick as mince, racists, gammons, .. people on this site wishing old people to die. Even that it should rerun as poor people were incapable of knowing what they were voting for. Then our leader saying the outcome was fake news and will be ignored.
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You make a very valid point but playing devil’s advocate, as 99.9% percent of Brexiteers
banged on about “taking back control“ and “make our own laws” and then couldn’t say taking back control of what or name one law, then people could be forgiven for not coming to any other conclusion!
 
Same_as_before said:
The government issued a pro remain booklet to every household, that was not included in the remain funding. Unless I misunderstood it was a yes or no vote, I did not see which type of remain.
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that doesn't even make sense, remain was stay with our current agreement. Leave was, "here are a bunch of loose ideas, we will promise all of them, you won't get a fraction of them because many are just mutually exclusive and if you knew the truth of the pros and cons of any single solution you wouldn't vote for this"
 
Same_as_before said:
Stolen? That's the first time I have heard that , how many? Which area? How do you know they were remain? Why hasn't the electoral legislators asked for a rerun.
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Stolen as in those that were promised, yes PROMISED that no one was talking about leaving the single market, have had their vote stolen to be used to leave the single market......that isn't democracy, it's vote theft, and a sham.
 
Same_as_before said:
You're wrong
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Please can you tell me how I am wrong?

Answer these questions for me please TSAB:

* Has there been as much abuse towards the 'traitors, melts, snowlfake remoaners' as there has been towards Brexiteers?
* Do you accept that large numbers of people voted Brexit for racist / xenophobic reasons?
* Do you accept there has been a rise in hate crime since the referendum?

Thanks.
 
festa5 said:
Leavers knew what they voted for so none of them will complain when we end up with no deal, associated job losses and prices going up right? They'll all own it and agree it was a price worth paying surely? Because they definitely knew what they were voting for.

They'll definitely not blame the EU, or labour or "remoaners" I'm sure.
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they'll blame Corbyn and remoaner MPs for taking the governments negotiating power away, or some other such nonsense
 
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