Because of Abbott & Corbyn

I'd say insulting 1st time tory voters who switched from labour isn't the best way to win them back.

In any other walk of life you wouldn't stand side by side with someone who spent 5 years insulting you. If they do it through spite because of that, that's up to them. You can't complain about if they do. Surely you can't think its ok to do that and still expect them to vote the way you do.


In any other walk of life, people wouldn't vote to make their lives markedly poorer in every respect, but huge swathes of people were conned into doing so. How's you beloved Tories doing with child poverty in the North?? Yet many people who are below the poverty line voted for the people that push them further into the abyss because either

(i) they didn't understand the full implications of voting Tory and how it would affect them
(ii) they were led by questionable feelings about non-Brits
(iii) they believed lies and smears circulated on social media memes
(iv) they understood everything but cared so little about other and society that they couldn't give a hoot about the poverty others are pushed into


Which bit do you fall under Coops?
 
He may well have been a better person but he got his strategy all wrong on Brexit and a number other issues. People want bullishness and decisiveness, that's why they voted for Boris, it garners more collective confidence. The fact he's turned out to be even worse than many of us thought is irrelevant now, he did what he had to to get him in and Corbyn didn't.

We have had no bullishness and decisiveness from Boris. He may have turned out worse than you thought but he is exactly the useless incompetent fool I thought he would be.
 
Monday 30 October 2017 - A Labour MP has been accused of snobbery after he claimed “better educated people” voted to remain in the European Union.

2nd December 2018 - Remainers pushing for second referendum think Brexiteers are 'thick' and 'prejudiced'

15th November 2019 - an LBC caller made the “breathtakingly arrogant” claim that people who voted for Brexit were “ill-informed, uneducated and gullible”.

Sun, Feb 2, 2020 - Thousands mocked Brexit-backing Britons for their “embarrassing celebrations” last night and the hashtag ‘thick’ began trending on Twitter.

26 August 2020, - Labour MP brands Brexit voters ‘fat old racists’

27th Aug 2020 - A Labour MP has called Brexiteers ‘s**tbag racist w****rs’


Should I get more examples?
I thought the daily mail ran a story that confirmed higher educated people voted remain,?
 
We have had no bullishness and decisiveness from Boris. He may have turned out worse than you thought but he is exactly the useless incompetent fool I thought he would be.
He was bullish and decisive last year though. I also expected him to be a disaster, I'm not as easily fooled as the almost 14m who voted for him.
 
the London elite
This phrase is always a face palm moment. Most people in London are not elite and many of hte elite are nothing to do with London. The elite are the people with the most wealth and power, who yield it without due care to the populace as a whole. The royal family, the Etonians, hedge fund managers, descendants of landed gentry, the bankers. Labour never sided with these under Corbyn. Brexit was never about returning control to anyone but these people. It was pure PR stuntery of the highest order to switch the public ire from the rich and powerful to middle class educated people.

But it's not that difficult and has been done before, there are analogies. Tories, business owners, and investors have often tried to get the work force to demonise unions, middle managers, 'jobsworths', bloated management systems, and anyone with daily control, but no real strategic power. Too many people fall for it, I see through it.
 
It’s very simple. Some people's identities are based on an ill perceived belief that they are better than others who don't have the same basics that they have, and this helps them cope with the human condition. If you give people who would normally go without the same things they have, you are stripping them of their identity that is based on being above those "others".

Obviously what they don’t realise, or choose to ignore, is that they’re being screwed over by the level of society above them, and they instead go around believing themselves to be a part of it or aspiring to break into it. Also failing to ever acknowledge the role luck and chance have played in them not finding themselves stuck on the ground floor. It was all hard work, they did it themselves, and anyone can do it.


I can just imagine society as a huge 100 floor skyscraper.
In the basement level there you’ve got all the people were happy to leave behind- The great unwashed, you know. Supposedly hopeless and inherently inferior.
Ground floor is perhaps the working poor. Good people getting by but a burst pipe or a new clutch away from struggling to pay the mortgage.
Level 1 and 2 are the varying degrees of the supposed middle class. Level 1 is touching on the higher rate of tax. Things are pretty comfortable, so long as the interest rate remains low.

Level 2 is dominated by those whose income goes up and up but they never seem to work less, only more. There’s no end in sight. The bills expand but standard of living doesn’t really increase. But they’re on the treadmill and can’t get off. Private school for three children doesn’t come cheap, you know.

Then we have 90 some floors of nothing, an empty void. But catch the private elevator to the top and you will find the most marvellous penthouse. It’s really something, you should see it. You can actually, on tv every night. Up here the people with the real money, the generational wealth, are engaged in one century-long coke fuelled orgy. These people don’t have jobs. Theres no hourly pay. Constructs like Law don’t apply. Hey, they own all of the assets. The only way is up. What’s more they deploy their media conglomerates to convince the rabble that if they just work hard enough they too can join the party, fill their days snorting lines off the butt Cheeks of Victoria secrets models, and only stop F***ing to occasionally shower themselves in the blood of the innocent. Or sacrifice a peasant to The Sun God.

I’ve lost my train of thought here as my micro dose turns into possibly just a dose.

But the point is this: society will continue along this path so long as floors one and two can look down and see people below- you know the penthouse is really only the next level up.
There will be no real change until we all find ourselves on the ground floor, or acknowledge that we already are.
 
This is how it works:

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I thought the daily mail ran a story that confirmed higher educated people voted remain,?
I did my own research there are publicly available data sets regarding constituencies with the highest levels of Remain, and other data sets with constituencies with the highest level of degree educated people......they correlate extremely strongly. Now of course the leave voters will claim there are other factors at play, such as local factors or it's just rich people voting remain. But of course neighbouring high and low education areas show the same correlation I have mentioned (So it isn't local factors) and the areas that are deemed the most wealthy are not at the top of remain and the poorest at the bottom, the correlation is moderate-to-weak for local wealth correlating to % remain.

You can search for the data sets yourself and do a bit of excel wizardry yourself if MSM or alternative media are untrustworthy. I did. Better education teaches you to analyse facts on a deeper level. If you haven't been educated to degree level you likely look at complex interwoven hypothesis, facts, statements, and data on a Blooms scale of 1-3, if you are educated to a higher level you can operate at Bloom's 3-6.
 
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In any other walk of life, people wouldn't vote to make their lives markedly poorer in every respect, but huge swathes of people were conned into doing so. How's you beloved Tories doing with child poverty in the North?? Yet many people who are below the poverty line voted for the people that push them further into the abyss because either

(i) they didn't understand the full implications of voting Tory and how it would affect them
(ii) they were led by questionable feelings about non-Brits
(iii) they believed lies and smears circulated on social media memes
(iv) they understood everything but cared so little about other and society that they couldn't give a hoot about the poverty others are pushed into


Which bit do you fall under Coops?
It's far simpler than that, the party they had always voted for told them they were stupid, racist, thick, and their vote was to be ignored. That by a leader who spent his whole career trying to get us out of the EC.
 
It's far simpler than that, the party they had always voted for told them they were stupid, racist, thick, and their vote was to be ignored. That by a leader who spent his whole career trying to get us out of the EC.

I’m still waiting for someone to give me a strong, reasoned argument why they voted to make their lives worse. Happy to listen to any put forward.
 
In any other walk of life, people wouldn't vote to make their lives markedly poorer in every respect, but huge swathes of people were conned into doing so. How's you beloved Tories doing with child poverty in the North?? Yet many people who are below the poverty line voted for the people that push them further into the abyss because either

(i) they didn't understand the full implications of voting Tory and how it would affect them
(ii) they were led by questionable feelings about non-Brits
(iii) they believed lies and smears circulated on social media memes
(iv) they understood everything but cared so little about other and society that they couldn't give a hoot about the poverty others are pushed into


Which bit do you fall under Coops?

None i would say to be honest.

I would have voted labour if they not renegaded on the 2016 which showed the voting public wanted to leave the EU. Right and wrongs of that campaigned can be argued till the cows come home, but the outcome cant.

Labour got spooked by remainers possibly going to the lib dems (despite the fact on polling day faced with a tory leave government or a labour one i imagine most would have stayed) leaving an open goal to lose all their leave voters. The seats they lost from 2017 showed that was massive error.

Child poverty? Years of cuts cant be reversed in an instant and especially during the times we are living in. Id be very disappointed though if in 4 years time the situation is the same. Time will tell in that respect.

I certainly dont agree people are “sensitive” if they are on the receiving end of insults etc. In any other form of life its not acceptable and if you said that to people in the work place for voting tory youd be out of a job (thats not aimed at you btw) so dont be surprised if them votes dont come back.

Labour need to look at why they lost so many votes instead of blaming people voting another way. Its always selfish, thick or duped etc. The media are always going to play a part but its time to stop believing the voting public got duped or they have racist tendancies which is suggested in point 2. I certainly dont and would take great offence at that suggestion
 
It's far simpler than that, the party they had always voted for told them they were stupid, racist, thick, and their vote was to be ignored. That by a leader who spent his whole career trying to get us out of the EC.
Except they didn't say that as a party, even if that were partially true
 
Right and wrongs of that campaigned can be argued till the cows come home, but the outcome cant.
sure it can, illegal campaign funding, Cambridge Analytica stealing data, potential facebook criminality, collusion between independent groups, campaign lies/propoganda, and broken promises and that's before you get to the fact that they campaigned one discrete option (remain) vs at least 12 variants of leave, which made it an unfair and undemocratic referendum. I mean even today we hear brexiteers disagree what brexit meant and claiming this isn't the brexit I voted for while others say it's exactly what they wanted. But hey, you can't argue with the result, right :rolleyes:(n)
 
There may have been various leave options vs one remain option but that is what the government gave to the public. A remain supporting governemnt who believed they would win. Remain have no excuses not to have won the referendum. They took the voters for granted and came out the wrong end. It was too late when they realised they might lose
 
None i would say to be honest.

I would have voted labour if they not renegaded on the 2016 which showed the voting public wanted to leave the EU. Right and wrongs of that campaigned can be argued till the cows come home, but the outcome cant.

Labour got spooked by remainers possibly going to the lib dems (despite the fact on polling day faced with a tory leave government or a labour one i imagine most would have stayed) leaving an open goal to lose all their leave voters. The seats they lost from 2017 showed that was massive error.

Child poverty? Years of cuts cant be reversed in an instant and especially during the times we are living in. Id be very disappointed though if in 4 years time the situation is the same. Time will tell in that respect.

I certainly dont agree people are “sensitive” if they are on the receiving end of insults etc. In any other form of life its not acceptable and if you said that to people in the work place for voting tory youd be out of a job (thats not aimed at you btw) so dont be surprised if them votes dont come back.

Labour need to look at why they lost so many votes instead of blaming people voting another way. Its always selfish, thick or duped etc. The media are always going to play a part but its time to stop believing the voting public got duped or they have racist tendancies which is suggested in point 2. I certainly dont and would take great offence at that suggestion
I know plenty of leave voters and they all have their own reasons for wanting out but unfortunately racism is a common one and it’s not just about the EU, it’s about the general direction of travel.
What I can’t understand is how the foreigners themselves and the EU were blamed for somehow invading our territory when the decisions which led to the conditions promoting the excess immigration in recent years were very firmly taken by the Tory Government, multi national businesses and greedy farmers.
I agree the public weren’t duped, they knew what they were voting for and when you add the general Brexit vote to the Tory Party core 30 to 35% ‘protect us from the Russians type of voter’ then you got Johnson his solid majority.
 
The problem with immigration was it was a political hot potato and every party refused to address it in any solid form. It should have been discussed sensibly at a political level from all parties but instead they were all too busy playing the political game and cried racist anytime it was brought up. A sensible grown up discussion may have well quelled the immigration vote in 2016. I blame all parties for that.
 
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