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Cooper671 said:
Why do you think an MPs life is more worthy than the man on the street? Why do you disregard the irreparable damage to a family done in your cause, yet feel being called a remoaner is the greatest crime ever
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I don't I think murdering someone for your political crime is, I think cheating the british public with lies for personal gain such as tax avoidance or backhanders from the US is a pretty big crime. Calling me a remoaner is simply embarrassing rather than a crime and indicative of the intelligence of certain leave voters.
 
Cooper671 said:
How do we own it, I see this quote lots. How do I own it?
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This was what you voted for, if the outcome is what you hoped for and its bad for people then thats your fault. If the outcome is not what you voted for then you got duped and the bad outcome is your fault. In the unlikely, and shrinking by the day scenario that there is a great outcome you can have that.
 
BoroMart said:
does the collins dictionary define stealing as only physical? I think you will find that a vote is something that belongs to people and has a use, to use that vote against its intended purpose for some other use and gain is a form of theft. Regardless of the label you might prefer, the morals are the same, the reality of the "Leave the EU" vote is that it isn't a cut and dried democratic decision and no attempt at smoke, mirrors or linguistic gymnastics by you will change that. Own it, people were promised things that were mutually exclusive to gain vote share, that is immoral.
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Just say you were caught out.
 
Same_as_before said:
Both.
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I know that the industries that the working class thrived on are no longer here. They were before 1974. Cause and effect. The ability to move to other areas of the EC where salaries are a lot less is one

If the referendum had come out the other way I would have accepted it.

What boils my knacks is that blokes who pretend to be left wing think the Poor's vote was worthless.
 
Same_as_before said:
Just say you were caught out.
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I would, but I haven't been, there are lots of types of theft, physical, intellectual, democratic etc.

Just accept that people were promised their vote would be used for one outcome, with an intention that it would be used for something else.
 
WeeGord said:
If you really believe those to be the correct answers you're fooling yourself. There's been as much vitriol towarss remainers as there has Brexiteers.

You honestly don't beleive that a lot of people voted for Brexit for racist reasons and yet acknowlege an increase in hate crime since the referendum. Are you of the belief there is no correlation between the two?
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To be fair Weegord, like one or two others on here, anyone who disagrees with you is a fool. I top my hat to all of you .
 
Same_as_before said:
You said 'stolen' thats a criminal offence.
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To Steal:
- take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.
- dishonestly pass off (another person's ideas) as one's own.
- take the opportunity to give or share (a kiss) when it is not expected or when people are not watching.
- (in various sports) gain (an advantage, a run, or possession of the ball) unexpectedly or by exploiting the temporary distraction of an opponent.
- move somewhere quietly or surreptitiously.

The English language is far more complicated than your simplistic view of it. Only one of those definitions mentions legality. Carry on.
 
Same_as_before said:
I know that the industries that the working class thrived on are no longer here. They were before 1974. Cause and effect.
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Utter cobblers

Correlation does not imply causation

The faster that windmills are observed to rotate, the more wind is observed. Therefore, wind is caused by the rotation of windmills. Logical but wrong. Heavy industry has also declined in the United States is that the fault of the EU?
 
Cooper671 said:
Why do you think an MPs life is more worthy than the man on the street? Why do you disregard the irreparable damage to a family done in your cause, yet feel being called a remoaner is the greatest crime ever
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He said no such thing, talk about posting outright lies in order to deflect. It's no wonder so many take umbrage with your ridiculous approach at times.
 
Same_as_before said:
I know that the industries that the working class thrived on are no longer here. They were before 1974. Cause and effect. The ability to move to other areas of the EC where salaries are a lot less is one

If the referendum had come out the other way I would have accepted it.

What boils my knacks is that blokes who pretend to be left wing think the Poor's vote was worthless.
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The poor who voted to be kept increasingly poor in perpetuity by voting for Brexit in the first instance, then underlining it by voting for the Tories? Is that who you mean?
 
Same_as_before said:
To be fair Weegord, like one or two others on here, anyone who disagrees with you is a fool. I top my hat to all of you .
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Talk about deflection and spin, is this you jacking in any debate becuase I suggested you're fooling yourself and now somehow suggesting I've been calling you names when I haven't? This from the bloke who called Coops a f wit a few posts up.
 
WeeGord said:
Talk about deflection and spin, is this you jacking in any debate becuase I suggested you're fooling yourself and now somehow suggesting I've been calling you names when I haven't? This from the bloke who called Coops a f wit a few posts up.
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The guy is a radical extremist when it comes to brexit and his judgement is clearly harmed. I mean he doesn't face any of the points head on, just smoke and mirrors and grammatical games. He is taking umbrage at reality and facts that the more educated someone is, the more likely they are to vote remain, that vote leave and its various offshoots broke the law, that they promised mutually exclusive outcomes to win votes, and that the country is in a mess almost entirely because of the duplicity and hatred filled rhetoric of the brexit PR. Instead he feels a victim, a victim of the more analytical that saw brexit for what it was a long time ago, you know, you can reserve teh right to admit you got it wrong at some point. It would be a sign of personal growth if you were to admit brexit was a sham.
 
BoroMart said:
This was what you voted for, if the outcome is what you hoped for and its bad for people then thats your fault. If the outcome is not what you voted for then you got duped and the bad outcome is your fault. In the unlikely, and shrinking by the day scenario that there is a great outcome you can have that.
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Yeah but how do I own it? If I'm told to own something, how do I? I accept whatever outcome Brexit plays out. I voted for it. I wouldn't blame anyone but myself. Others for some reason seem to believe I (well maybe not I) but leavers will blame someone else. I won't and i'll happily state I voted for it
 
BoroMart said:
The guy is a radical extremist when it comes to brexit and his judgement is clearly harmed. I mean he doesn't face any of the points head on, just smoke and mirrors and grammatical games. He is taking umbrage at reality and facts that the more educated someone is, the more likely they are to vote remain, that vote leave and its various offshoots broke the law, that they promised mutually exclusive outcomes to win votes, and that the country is in a mess almost entirely because of the duplicity and hatred filled rhetoric of the brexit PR. Instead he feels a victim, a victim of the more analytical that saw brexit for what it was a long time ago, you know, you can reserve teh right to admit you got it wrong at some point. It would be a sign of personal growth if you were to admit brexit was a sham.
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Therein lies the problem though - when, as looks increasingly likely, Brexit comes at a huge cost to all but a very few of us, some of those who voted for it will STILL blame it on the remoaners, the EU or anyone else they can that the believe takes the blame away from them. The pig-headedness of some (not all) of those who voted Brexit will never allow them to accept they were wrong even when facts prove otherwise.

It reminds me of the Black Knight on Monty Python where despite losing his limbs refuses to acknowledge the seriousness of the situation and still thinking he knows best and will somehow be victorious.
 
Cooper671 said:
Yeah but how do I own it? If I'm told to own something, how do I? I accept whatever outcome Brexit plays out. I voted for it. I wouldn't blame anyone but myself. Others for some reason seem to believe I (well maybe not I) but leavers will blame someone else. I won't and i'll happily state I voted for it
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Good, ownership in this context simply means taking responsibility for any outcomes of this mess. Sounds like you are taking responsibility, which I'm afraid will mean peoples ire when it impacts them directly. So I'll apologisefor my language now for when my local motorway is gridlocked due to the crappy lorrypark they are hastily building.
 
WeeGord said:
Therein lies the problem though - when, as looks increasingly likely, Brexit comes at a huge cost to all but a very few of us, some of those who voted for it will STILL blame it on the remoaners, the EU or anyone else they can that the believe takes the blame away from them. The pig-headedness of some (not all) of those who voted Brexit will never allow them to accept they were wrong even when facts prove otherwise.

It reminds me of the Black Knight on Monty Python where despite losing his limbs refuses to acknowledge the seriousness of the situation and still thinking he knows best and will somehow be victorious.
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great analogy. You know what for all the nonsense that has been spouted by leavers, I'm glad to each and every one that turns around and accepted they got duped and the whole thing was a sham. That justice needs serving against those that did this to our once great country
 
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