Barnier's Brexit diary

Some interesting observations.

Mr Barnier also reveals that during a meeting Nigel Farage, the former UKIP leader revealed that he disagreed with the Vote Leave slogan, emblazoned on a red bus, that the UK could stop sending £350 million per week to the EU.

According to Mr Barnier, Mr Farage had told him: "Yes, that was a mistake, I had told Boris [Johnson] not to do it."
 
Exactly this:

Mr Barnier recalls that he told the DUP: "It is your Brexit vote which creates the problem. We are waiting for you to bring forward ideas and proposals. You have produced none. When will you therefore assume the consequences of your own actions?"

The only proposals given were ones that contradicted some other proposal, or reality, and the issue of that is solely at the leaver's doorstep. They either knew it and didn't care (other priorities like immigrants etc, at the cost of Ireland/ NI and the Econemy) or they're gullible and fell for some clown telling them "it won't be a problem".

Then this, exactly this:

"There is something decidedly crazy in the British system. Here we are nearly two and a half years after a majority of British people voted for Brexit, spurred on by politicians like Dominic Raab, and every day which passes shows that they have not weighed up the consequences or the stakes."

The classic have their cake and eat it, which rarely works when you're negotiating with the other side, which is 10 x the size of you.

Then the bit about the bus, brilliant. Even Farage was against it, and didn't believe it, yet still peddled it and the gullible even bought it, hook line and sinker.
 
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Exactly this:

Mr Barnier recalls that he told the DUP: "It is your Brexit vote which creates the problem. We are waiting for you to bring forward ideas and proposals. You have produced none. When will you therefore assume the consequences of your own actions?"

The only proposals given were ones that contradicted some other proposal, or reality, and the issue of that is solely at the leaver's doorstep. They either knew it and didn't care (other priorities like immigrants etc, at the cost of Ireland/ NI and the Econemy) or they're gullible and fell for some clown telling them "it won't be a problem".

Then this, exactly this:

"There is something decidedly crazy in the British system. Here we are nearly two and a half years after a majority of British people voted for Brexit, spurred on by politicians like Dominic Raab, and every day which passes shows that they have not weighed up the consequences or the stakes."

The classic have their cake and eat it, which rarely works when you're negotiating with the other side, which is 10 x the size of you.

Then the bit about the bus, brilliant. Even Farage was against it didn't believe it, yet still peddled it and the gullible bought it, hook line and sinker.
I was going to add that part - unbelievable.
 
I do wonder if, at the heart of a lot of this, is the fact that the leave vote never actually expected to win. It seems that the mechanism for leaving hadn't been considered at any point in the process (arguably still hasn't).

Of course, this is the fallacy of uniting such disparate enterprises around a "slogan" - no one actually knows what it means and therefore how to deliver it.
 
Look another politician making money out of Brexit. President Barnier by any chance. I had to tell the truth F**k o**.
 
a decent read, from one side of the negotiations.... though I doubt it's not far from bang on..
When the leave vote was counted & won - I immediately thought, a united Ireland was on the cards in the near to mid term future.. & I still think it is.
 
a decent read, from one side of the negotiations.... though I doubt it's not far from bang on..
When the leave vote was counted & won - I immediately thought, a united Ireland was on the cards in the near to mid term future.. & I still think it is.
It will edge more in that direction once Poots has hold of the DUP reins.
 
a decent read, from one side of the negotiations.... though I doubt it's not far from bang on..
When the leave vote was counted & won - I immediately thought, a united Ireland was on the cards in the near to mid term future.. & I still think it is.
Yeah, from one side, but most of what he wrote there we already know to be true, so no reason to think he's lying for any of it I suppose. Doesn't paint a pretty picture.

I don't see how Ireland won't unify within the next 5-20 years, and how Scotland won't ditch England within the near future too (probably likely sooner). If one of those goes, then you can bet your bottom dollar the other will (no point sticking with the weaker remainder of the UK), and I just don't see how neither united Ireland or indy Scotland happens. Then they will all be in the EU with free trade between them, effectively more competition for England and Wales and we will be even more of an Island in the EU, except we will be totally surrounded and isolated.

England and Wales is practically nailed on, and I feel sorry for Wales in that scenario, as well as the North East/ South West.
 
Wow. That's brexiter desperation levels of deflection. I genuinely wonder what goes on in the brains of the brexit defenders these days.

He’s going to make lot of money out of this.
Very good chance he will be the next President. This book is going to make his chances even better.

Why did he need to keep a diary.
All about money and ambition.

This threads about Barnier’s diary so how am I deflecting
 
He’s going to make lot of money out of this.
Very good chance he will be the next President. This book is going to make his chances even better.

Why did he need to keep a diary.
All about money and ambition.

This threads about Barnier’s diary so how am I deflecting
If you can't see it. My god. The wilful ignorance of the brexiteer is genuinely depressing
 
Wow. That's brexiter desperation levels of deflection. I genuinely wonder what goes on in the brains of the brexit defenders these days.

Psychologically, people struggle with cognitive dissonance and have their own coping mechanisms. On different issues we all find it hard to deal with that inner emotional desire for how we want to the world to be, the narrative we have told ourselves that allows us to live without a lot of mental turmoil, when it collides with contrary evidence.
 
Your mind is so in knots over Brexit you are seeing what you want to see.
I could say the same to you. Once again, and this is getting repetitive now but its not sinking in. Every brexit disaster I discuss is a real failing that has happened. A brexiter can't tell me a benefit. That's why you have to deflect. In this case from the terrible way we've tried to negotiate a deal.
 
He’s going to make lot of money out of this.
Very good chance he will be the next President. This book is going to make his chances even better.

Why did he need to keep a diary.
All about money and ambition.

This threads about Barnier’s diary so how am I deflecting
Because you said he's not told the truth (which most of it has already been proven true) and your "alternate truth" would mean the Tories would have to be telling the truth, not a bunch of lying $hitheads, along with it would have to be one big unicorn fairytale, with endless fish and 350m for the NHS.

I keep a work diary, I would hope Barnier would, and would hope it would be in extreme detail, just like I would hope May, Raab or BJ does/ did. Then again I would hope that they would all realise dover-clais/ channel tunnel is quite important, and NI, guess not.

If he wants to sell a book, covering the 4 years where he played a major part in EU history, then that's fine, a lot of people in key roles at key times write books.
 
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I could say the same to you. Once again, and this is getting repetitive now but its not sinking in. Every brexit disaster I discuss is a real failing that has happened. A brexiter can't tell me a benefit. That's why you have to deflect. In this case from the terrible way we've tried to negotiate a deal.

This thread about Barnier’s diary. Nothing to do about the benefits of Brexit. Also point to a thread were I’ve defended Brexit good luck with that.
 
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