Bangura looks so much quicker and sharper than Engel

Carrick must prefer Engel in the way he is adapting to the league and the way he likes to play. But let’s see. I hope we can finally have depth in the position.

I think it's probably just that Engel is in possession of the shirt right now and has kept his place on merit.

Bangura was unlucky to be injured when Engel was out of the side.

I think it's a 50/50 battle for the position, but Engel is currently ahead largely because he's been here a bit longer and has more minutes under his belt. But also not done much wrong since coming back into the team.

Bangura will get his chance (in the league) at some point.
 
I think it's probably just that Engel is in possession of the shirt right now and has kept his place on merit.

Bangura was unlucky to be injured when Engel was out of the side.

I think it's a 50/50 battle for the position, but Engel is currently ahead largely because he's been here a bit longer and has more minutes under his belt. But also not done much wrong since coming back into the team.

Bangura will get his chance (in the league) at some point.

I think thats it in a nutshell.

See also Coburn, Greenwood, McNair, even Jones from last season.

Injuries contribute, but MC is quite fair in sticking with players if they perform regardless of the return to fitness of others.

I dare say at the moment there is only Dieng and Hackney 'guaranteed' a spot, although MC will never admit that.
 
Full of running and enthusiasm which couldn’t be faulted. Defensively wasn’t overly tested so couldn’t properly judge against a team intent on sitting on an early lead. Promising on last nights evidence but will face sterner tests.
 
Is he? I'd say he may well do the job of a defender (his primary job) better than Giles based on what I've seen so far.

He's also got one assist in just a few games, Giles actually only got 12 in the whole of last season.
"Only" got 12?

Think it was 11 but that's a lot. Only 2 players in the league had more and they were attacking players (12).

How many do you think he should have had!
 
"Only" got 12?

Think it was 11 but that's a lot. Only 2 players in the league had more and they were attacking players (12).

How many do you think he should have had!

12 including FA Cup, 11 in the League.

I agree it was a great total, especially for a left back, however Engel has got 1 so far whilst settling into a new country / league and so to suggest Giles is miles ahead of him in everything seems a little overblown.

Engel also doesn't have someone of the calibre of Akpom getting on the end of his crosses either.
 
12 including FA Cup, 11 in the League.

I agree it was a great total, especially for a left back, however Engel has got 1 so far whilst settling into a new country / league and so to suggest Giles is miles ahead of him in everything seems a little overblown.

Engel also doesn't have someone of the calibre of Akpom getting on the end of his crosses either.

Ryan Giles, along with Ryan Manning who I think got the same amount.... Got the highest assists record from a full back in the league for the last 40+ years.
I can't remember the exact record but it was a very very long time ago.

Championship full back - Giles is miles ahead of both Engel/Bangura.

But I do really like both Engel and Bangura, and I'd rather have them permanently for the next 2-3 seasons so that position in the team is completely sorted, than a "better" player on loan and have to find another one next year.
 
12 including FA Cup, 11 in the League.

I agree it was a great total, especially for a left back, however Engel has got 1 so far whilst settling into a new country / league and so to suggest Giles is miles ahead of him in everything seems a little overblown.

Engel also doesn't have someone of the calibre of Akpom getting on the end of his crosses either.
I agree, too early to say with Engel.

Also Giles' assists tailed off back end of the season. He was overall, excellent for us. But he certainly had his weaknesses.
 
I like the look of Bangura but I'd start Engel at the weekend. Bangura was guilty of being caught out of position several times. It's an interesting contrast in styles, Bangura is quick and tricksy, Engel seems to read the game better and has a fearsome shot on him.
 
I think here looked powerful and fast. But I also felt he looked quite out of control at times. Exciting to have options that appear to offer something different!
 
Tough one isn't it. I think Bangura is more natural fit for our style of play (and will therefore eventually be 1st choice) but Engel has adapted really well.

Bangura's pace and stamina remind me of Giles last season - yes he'll get caught out of position occasionally but he has the pace to recover most of the time.
 
Different player to Engel. Bangura looks quick and strong, while Engel is more composed. You never know if injuries continue there might end up being room for both....with one playing further forward on the left of the attacking midfield three?
 
Different types of players, we haven't seen enough of Bangura yet to really understand his strengths and weaknesses. But he certainly has a bit of pace, and work rate, is offensive minded. What I've seen so far he has a better grounding in the art of defending than Engel. But I may change that view.

His work rate to come back and challenge to force the error in Rogers goal was superb. Not knowing who should be the legitimate first choice player is a good problem to have and to be honest now that Engel has settled they are both potentially better all round players than our LB last season.
 
Is he? I'd say he may well do the job of a defender (his primary job) better than Giles based on what I've seen so far.

He's also got one assist in just a few games, Giles actually only got 12 in the whole of last season.
Yes, he is, which is why Giles got signed by a prem team, and why we tried to keep him before singing two left backs. He went to the wrong prem team mind, which I said at the time. He needs to play for an attacking side, as you're right about him not being all that strong defensively, he was never going to suit playing for Luton who have the ball maybe 25% of the game.

Defending isn't the only role for a defender, football doesn't work like that anymore, especially not for wing backs. If you're little threat going forward oppo teams can take more risks on that side, and throw more men forward as they no you have no threat to counter etc. Being a good attacker is a great form of defence, as it makes teams wary to attack or push people up on that side. Being a better attacking left/ right back is also important if the other side can't attack (like smith couldn't last year), and it's even more important again if you're going to have the ball more than you don't have it.

1 assist in 12 games I think it is for Engel, but I don't recall him putting in many other good balls. Giles had what 12 in 45, 2nd best in the Champo? That's miles better. Most of Giles were fairly early on in the season too, and once teams realised how much of a threat he was they overloaded that side to counter it. This freed up space elsewhere, which we partially capitalised on. Never mind how many other good balls Giles put in, when we actually got him the ball.
 
1 assist in 12 games I think it is for Engel, but I don't recall him putting in many other good balls.
He's definitely got an ok cross on him, not Giles level of course, but he's put a few testers in. He's getting forward more and more now, and his hard running and shooting is causing trouble for opposition. Of coursde he isn't yet at Giles level in terms of influence, but he has the potential to all round be that good as does Bangura.....of course Giles isn't the finished article either and has the potential to improve too. A year of 1-to-1 defensive coaching could transform giles.
 
I think it's probably just that Engel is in possession of the shirt right now and has kept his place on merit.

Bangura was unlucky to be injured when Engel was out of the side.

I think it's a 50/50 battle for the position, but Engel is currently ahead largely because he's been here a bit longer and has more minutes under his belt. But also not done much wrong since coming back into the team.

Bangura will get his chance (in the league) at some
I wonder how Coulson is feeling these days? Still baffles me why he came back.
 
Yes, he is, which is why Giles got signed by a prem team, and why we tried to keep him before singing two left backs. He went to the wrong prem team mind, which I said at the time. He needs to play for an attacking side, as you're right about him not being all that strong defensively, he was never going to suit playing for Luton who have the ball maybe 25% of the game.

Defending isn't the only role for a defender, football doesn't work like that anymore, especially not for wing backs. If you're little threat going forward oppo teams can take more risks on that side, and throw more men forward as they no you have no threat to counter etc. Being a good attacker is a great form of defence, as it makes teams wary to attack or push people up on that side. Being a better attacking left/ right back is also important if the other side can't attack (like smith couldn't last year), and it's even more important again if you're going to have the ball more than you don't have it.

1 assist in 12 games I think it is for Engel, but I don't recall him putting in many other good balls. Giles had what 12 in 45, 2nd best in the Champo? That's miles better. Most of Giles were fairly early on in the season too, and once teams realised how much of a threat he was they overloaded that side to counter it. This freed up space elsewhere, which we partially capitalised on. Never mind how many other good balls Giles put in, when we actually got him the ball.

That just reads like a list of "excuses" to justify your position.

He signed for Luton, not Real Madrid, as the "right" PL teams weren't interested in signing him. He'll be back in the Championship next season whatever, as he can't even get his game for Luton.

I like Giles, but to suggest he is/will be head and shoulders above Engel, just because you've taken a dislike to Engel is a strange position to take.
 
Hard to Judge Bangura against a League 1 side not playing with an out and out winger up against him.
Engel had a few solid games prior to stoke, where he was poor (as was everyone). I'd say they are very much neck and neck for the shirt at the minute.
 
Bangura and Jones fullbacks and drop to 3 CB formation as a plan B

I don’t think it’ll ever happen but I think it would be good to have a viable plan B, and I think this would be effective. Howson in as a ball playing centre back. Then you could play two up front if you were chasing the game. Maybe…
 
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