Australia free trade deal a failure for UK

Its just the 10 point process those MPs in favour of Brexit need to go through on every single issue that Brexit has caused:

1) deny there will be a problem
2) blame remainers for pointing out the problem
3) admit there is a problem but its not as big a Project Fear makes out
4) demand that remainers provide solutions to solve the problem or else they are 'unpatriotic'
5) reject those solutions
6) plough on into a dead end
7) admit there has been 'teething issues'
8) deflect to a different issue
9) remove all mention of Brexit from political pamphlets
9) quietly admit in Parliamentary committees and house of commons debates that the whole thing has been a complete abortion
10) still pick up a salary, while rest of the UK picks up the pieces.
 
Brexit has completey trashed the UK econonomy, it was an amazing deal we threw down the shitter due a combinton of the electorate being too stupid and uneducated to understand what they were voting for, and right wing liars and corrupt politicians out for self promotion selling snake oil that idiots (yes idiots) consumed

All it needs to convince half the nitwits in this country to vote in an election is a few catchphrases like 'make the UK great again' and get the darkies out etc etc blah blah

trump will use the same waffle in the next USA election and will probably win, who needs policies when you can just throw catchphrases at morons to win a vote

I thought the ability to use propoganda to control the will of the population with complete horse**** was over with the lessons of history with the Nazis, i guess i underestimated
human nature

I am stll absolutely fuming at the stupidity of the brexit voting electorate trashing their own kids rights to live, work, and maybe even love in 27 other countries for free

Mind blowing irresponsibility
 
Zoophonic said:
FFS its an idiom of speech for somebody repeating something ad nauseam and this particular fact is trotted out so much now its not funny and its boring. He's admitted his mistake. Far from me wanting to control anybody's comments on here but that doesn't mean I will not challenge what is said.
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So you don't think the post below fits your description? Repeating something ad nauseam ????🤫

SmallTown said:
As I said in my first post. It's exhausting. Brexiters will defend their failed, catastrophic ideal with anything. They'll chose anything to deflect from how bad it is.

I don't know what brings them to do this. Deep down, even they know how bad it has made the country. They can't not. And yes, it's embarrrasing to have to admit you've been conned. I would have thought it's more embarrassing to go along with the con when everyone knows it was all a lie. I don't know what must be done to educate these people.
 
Nobby_Barnes said:
So you don't think the post below fits your description? Repeating something ad nauseam ????🤫

SmallTown said:
As I said in my first post. It's exhausting. Brexiters will defend their failed, catastrophic ideal with anything. They'll chose anything to deflect from how bad it is.

I don't know what brings them to do this. Deep down, even they know how bad it has made the country. They can't not. And yes, it's embarrrasing to have to admit you've been conned. I would have thought it's more embarrassing to go along with the con when everyone knows it was all a lie. I don't know what must be done to educate these people.
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SmallTown has the right to repeat what he wants. If you don't want to see it there are options for you, block him, or stop following the thread.
 
BoroMart said:
SmallTown has the right to repeat what he wants. If you don't want to see it there are options for you, block him, or stop following the thread.
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...and I'll repeat what I want thank you. If ST calls out people for voting for Brexit then I'll remind him he voted Tory and as such also voted for Brexit so it's all good 👍
 
I think what we should all be able to safely agree by now is that the Conservative Party are the biggest bunch of devious, conniving, morally bankrupt, self serving set of vvankers this country has ever seen - only the royal family run them close in the parasitic blood sucking stakes. They have literally pillaged the country of almost everything over the period from 2010 to now, with more to come. If a raging mob stormed Westminster and dragged them all out and hung them from the nearest lampposts they’d only have themselves to blame
 
Funky_Chicken said:
I think what we should all be able to safely agree by now is that the Conservative Party are the biggest bunch of devious, conniving, morally bankrupt, self serving set of vvankers this country has ever seen - only the royal family run them close in the parasitic blood sucking stakes. They have literally pillaged the country of almost everything over the period from 2010 to now, with more to come. If a raging mob stormed Westminster and dragged them all out and hung them from the nearest lampposts they’d only have themselves to blame
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Have you been drinking?
 
Nobby_Barnes said:
...and I'll repeat what I want thank you. If ST calls out people for voting for Brexit then I'll remind him he voted Tory and as such also voted for Brexit so it's all good 👍
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I've already said you have the right to your say, but it's a daft position to simply eradicate STs voice based on something they got wrong years ago.
 
Trade deals and commercial deals such as PFIs are primarily negotiated by civil servants. They obviously have to work with Government ministers, but the vast majority of the work is done by civil servants. Its a full time job. Ministers will sign deals off and maybe discuss some key aspects of the deals but they can't work 40 hours a week on trade deals. If Ministers take 100% credit for trade deals they are not been sincere (surprise, surprise).

Its commonly accepted that the PFIs deals of the 1990s and 2000s were better deals for the private sector providers than the Public sector customers. The civil servants were under pressure by the Labour Government to get new schools and hospitals etc built and in general they didn't have the expertise to negotiate on a equal level with private finance and construction companies (that are profit driven). The Labour Government did not want to borrow to pay for most of its public infrastructure projects. Its a bit like people today buying flash new cars on lease deals. You get a nice new car now and appear to pay little up front, but in the long run it can be an expensive option.

Going back to international trade deals - how many trade deal expert negotiators does the UK civil service have?
 
Redwurzel said:
Its commonly accepted that the PFIs deals of the 1990s and 2000s were better deals for the private sector providers than the Public sector customers. The civil servants were under pressure by the Labour Government to get new schools and hospitals etc built and in general they didn't have the expertise to negotiate on a equal level with private finance and construction companies (that are profit driven). The Labour Government did not want to borrow to pay for most of its public infrastructure projects. Its a bit like people today buying flash new cars on lease deals. You get a nice new car now and appear to pay little up front, but in the long run it can be an expensive option.
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Labour had a huge amount of rebuilding to do after Thatcher had run services like the NHS and education into the ground. An innovative solution was needed and PFI was the strategy. I itself not a bad one, just not executed that well.

Redwurzel said:
Going back to international trade deals - how many trade deal expert negotiators does the UK civil service have?
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Not many, and it never will, which is just another reason why brexit benefits were pie in the sky.
 
BoroMart said:
SmallTown has the right to repeat what he wants. If you don't want to see it there are options for you, block him, or stop following the thread.
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He won’t do that because he’d rather attack insult and deflect.

But just for clarity: everytime I mention Brexit it’s in a different topic. Yes, those trying to deflect from its failures may found this repetitive but it really isn’t my fault that Brexit has caused such a varied and socially destructive range of problems. Anyway, back on block he goes: they either do this to have a go at me for no reason or they do it to deflect from the failures of Brexit. Neither of these is worthy of my time.
 
Redwurzel said:
Trade deals and commercial deals such as PFIs are primarily negotiated by civil servants. They obviously have to work with Government ministers, but the vast majority of the work is done by civil servants. Its a full time job. Ministers will sign deals off and maybe discuss some key aspects of the deals but they can't work 40 hours a week on trade deals. If Ministers take 100% credit for trade deals they are not been sincere (surprise, surprise).

Its commonly accepted that the PFIs deals of the 1990s and 2000s were better deals for the private sector providers than the Public sector customers. The civil servants were under pressure by the Labour Government to get new schools and hospitals etc built and in general they didn't have the expertise to negotiate on a equal level with private finance and construction companies (that are profit driven). The Labour Government did not want to borrow to pay for most of its public infrastructure projects. Its a bit like people today buying flash new cars on lease deals. You get a nice new car now and appear to pay little up front, but in the long run it can be an expensive option.

Going back to international trade deals - how many trade deal expert negotiators does the UK civil service have?
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Amazing! Even when I point out people deflecting from the failures of Brexit, they just add more verbiage around their deflection. At least these people are determined.

It should be pointed out that even the stroGh nest Brexiteer on here now know with absolute certainty that the process was a failure. Look at the people trying to defend themselves. They either deflect from the subject or they blame someone or something else. At least even they can now see that since Brexit, the U.K. is worse off than it was before. That in itself is telling no? Even the staunchest brexiteer, the ones who really can’t admit they are conned have gone from sunlit uplands and £350million for the NHS to: “yes it’s terrible but it’s Corbyn/COVID/Putin/EU/Civil servants/Larry the Downing Street cat to blame.
 
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