Asylum seekers to be housed at Catterick Garrison...

Randy said:
Some of itay not be government related at all. Could be from personal experiences etc.
My nanna never trusted gypsies or liked them after a gang of them tried to scam her out of £10,000 for roof work that hadn't been done. She very nearly paid until my uncle got wind of it and him, me and my dad rocked up the day they were coming for collection and when we were sat in her front garden waiting for them they asked if she was in, words were exchange and they never came back.



Now that's not to say ALL gypsies are like that because they aren't. I worked with one many years ago labouring and him and his family were sound.
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There's plenty of born and bred Teessiders scamming people and thieving but we're not all labelled for it.
 
Nano said:
We have a chronic shortage of people desperate enough to do terrible jobs for a pittance. The wages need increasing to attract people to the job, not importing people to do them for a pittance and perpetuating the problem.

All that is irrelevant though because asylum seekers are not economic migrants. That is a completely different category of people and we already have processes in place to decide what skills we need.
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Spot on Nano.
 
Brian Marwood said:
Did you vote for Brexit?
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That is both lazy and insulting Brian. Many who voted Brexit are not racists, but did see Freedom if Movement as a method of exploiting the poorest in society in all countries. Simple supply and demand to feed the capitalist mouths. Jeremy Corbyn understood this, hence his stance.
 
Randy said:
Some of itay not be government related at all. Could be from personal experiences etc.
My nanna never trusted gypsies or liked them after a gang of them tried to scam her out of £10,000 for roof work that hadn't been done. She very nearly paid until my uncle got wind of it and him, me and my dad rocked up the day they were coming for collection and when we were sat in her front garden waiting for them they asked if she was in, words were exchange and they never came back.



Now that's not to say ALL gypsies are like that because they aren't. I worked with one many years ago labouring and him and his family were sound.
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Yeah I get that. And if we are honest we all prejudice our thoughts based on experience. I think it's the blanket calling everyone seeking asylum a burden. And when Wez makes assumptions about the scale of asylum seekers and I correct him with official figures it's what drives him to simply ignore the figures because they don't match his opinion. I bet of we ask him now he'll think the majority of asylum seekers come to this country. When that demonstrably isn't the case. Not by a long way. Why would we retain our prejudices once they have been disproven
 
The Ruthsayer said:
That is both lazy and insulting Brian. Many who voted Brexit are not racists, but did see Freedom if Movement as a method of exploiting the poorest in society in all countries. Simple supply and demand to feed the capitalist mouths. Jeremy Corbyn understood this, hence his stance.
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You’re completely right, I would like to apologise, it was unbecoming of me.
 
Nano said:
That's just the internet today. Grey areas don't seem to exist anymore. Everything has to be polarised. You have to pick a side and be either for or against. Everyone else is wrong and then you throw an insult. All the people on one side cheer, the other side throw some insults back, everyone claims they are being bullied. One side wins and the other gets "cancelled".
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Problem is, the people on this thread who throw the insults and labeling are the ones who say they get bullied 😂
 
The frustrating thing about this thread is that there's a consensus that everybody wants those with a legitimate asylum claim to be allowed to stay in this country and that those who do not have a legitimate claim should not be allowed to stay.

That should not be lost as part of this discussion, my contention, is that nothing in Government policy achieves either of those aims and the current tone of policy will exacerbate and not resolve the problem.

Every issue surrounding the current asylum debate has been allowed to happen in Westminster either through incompetence or design and any animosity and frustration should be in their direction and not toward those forced onto boats as their only means to claim legitimate asylum.
 
Facefuzz said:
Problem is, the people on this thread who throw the insults and labeling are the ones who say they get bullied 😂
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Mate. I haven't called you a racist. I know @Laughing implied that evasue he also WANTS to think ill of me for some reason.

I'm trying to find out what motivates you to have such hate in your heart though. Why you happily use words like burden and illegal to describe people fleeing persecution. I've even asked you questions to try and understand your point of view but you can't answer them.
 
American_Mary said:
The frustrating thing about this thread is that there's a consensus that everybody wants those with a legitimate asylum claim to be allowed to stay in this country and that those who do not have a legitimate claim should not be allowed to stay.

That should not be lost as part of this discussion, my contention, is that nothing in Government policy achieves either of those aims and the current tone of policy will exacerbate and not resolve the problem.

Every issue surrounding the current asylum debate has been allowed to happen in Westminster either through incompetence or design and any animosity and frustration should be in their direction and not toward those forced onto boats as their only means to claim legitimate asylum.
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"Hostile environment" and the most overt racist British Government since Thatcher.(n)
 
I take no real issue with the use of the word burden here, if the people housed there are going to be utilising already stretched and underfunded services then the addition of more people to the population who haven't got housing or jobs and may be in poor health will burden local services.

The individuals themselves aren't burdens, the strain that having a large amount of people placed somewhere as mentioned above, is.

This from someone who finds the 'Stop The Boats' slogan and the support it has gotten from some quarters as one of the clearest indicators of neo fascism from government in post war history.

I think it was a use of language to describe the potential impact on the area, not an insult to those seeking asylum.

Maybe duty would have been a better word? It certainly didn't look like a buying into the government's rhetoric at first glance.
 
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Big_Nothing said:
I take no real issue with the use of the word burden here, if the people housed there are going to be utilising already stretched and underfunded services then the addition of more people to the population who haven't got housing or jobs and may be in poor health will burden local services.

The individuals themselves aren't burdens, the strain that having a large amount of people placed somewhere as mentioned above, is.

This from someone who finds the 'Stop The Boats' slogan and the support it has gotten from some quarters as one of the clearest indicators of neo fascism from government in post war history.

I think it was a use of language to describe the potential impact on the area, not an insult to those seeking asylum.

Maybe duty would have been a better word? It certainly didn't look like a buying into the government's rhetoric at first glance.
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Cheers big. Exactly
 
I think Nano(?)'s post was excellent too.

The Westminster 'dumping' of people in these difficult situations into areas already in difficult situations is terrible and unfair on all involved. Wouldn't want to upset those constituents now would we? Again the use of this word dumping is about the government's attitude towards these people and the people in the areas they send them to, in no way is it me insulting anyone or buying into a rhetoric.

I believe Middlesbrough used to take one of the largest % of refugees in the country and that the local government is financially rewarded or incentivised in doing so. Which coupled with what is hopefully a desire to give people a new start in life is admirable in a sense. I'm not sure if that's my hazy memory though, maybe @TheLodger can help me out with that.
 
Big_Nothing said:
I take no real issue with the use of the word burden here, if the people housed there are going to be utilising already stretched and underfunded services then the addition of more people to the population who haven't got housing or jobs and may be in poor health will burden local services.

The individuals themselves aren't burdens, the strain that having a large amount of people placed somewhere as mentioned above, is.

This from someone who finds the 'Stop The Boats' slogan and the support it has gotten from some quarters as one of the clearest indicators of neo fascism from government in post war history.

I think it was a use of language to describe the potential impact on the area, not an insult to those seeking asylum.

Maybe duty would have been a better word? It certainly didn't look like a buying into the government's rhetoric at first glance.
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I agree with most of this but I think the burden bit was the thing end of the wedge. Fuzz's use of the word illegal was significantly more troubling.

Thing is though both words are loaded. Both words are aimed at keeping the mindset that the asylum seekers themselves are the problem. Not the governments refusal to fix the situation. That's the bit I have issues with. The Tories are very good at it. they have repeated the illegal lie so many times people are starting to believe it as fact and are incredulous when you tell them that they have a legal right to seek asylum here. Words matter. especially ones designed to stir up hatred or contempt for a group of people. They can lead to dangerous situations.
 
SmallTown said:
Mate. I haven't called you a racist. I know @Laughing implied that evasue he also WANTS to think ill of me for some reason.

I'm trying to find out what motivates you to have such hate in your heart though. Why you happily use words like burden and illegal to describe people fleeing persecution. I've even asked you questions to try and understand your point of view but you can't answer them.
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You said I used racist language. Sherlock and bri mar wood called me racist.

I’ve explained already.
Burden is a fair word. There maybe better words but I used that one. The situation is a burden. It’s a burden on an island nation and is contributing to services being overstretched.

I also stand by the word illegal aswell. If I crossed the border from Mexico to America through a tunnel dug by criminals who I’ve paid money to I’d be there illegally. If I flew into Australia on a one way ticket from China (bought by criminals) with £30 in my pocket knowing I was going to go off grid and not return home then I’d be there illegally.

Do I support immigration, yes
Within reason.

I support economic migration and refugee/asylum fleeing persecution.

We need doctors, nurses and other professionals. We don’t have enough. I encourage those people to come. I’d rather we had more getting the qualifications here but we don’t.

I support refugees and those fleeing persecution, mainly women children elderly and the infirm. We should help as many as we can. And there is a finite number to how many people we can help. I don’t know what the number is but once the balance flips and stresses are on systems then it has to slow down. That is were we are now. It may have also been caused by what roofie pointed out like selling off housing stock and under investing but nevertheless we are there.

I’ll tell you this aswell. I want my kids and my friends kids and all of your kids to have the opportunity of having a job and house and access to health care. If immigration was not controlled then those opportunities for the futures of people who were born here and heritage is here would be eroded further.

What I don’t want, and most people don’t want, but you fail to see is bad people coming here and staying.
Murders, rapists and terrorists in their own countries.
I don’t want Thai and Vietnamese young lads here working shifts in cannabis farms paying off a never ending debt in fear that their family back home are harmed.
I don’t want Kurds and Albanians who come and join gangs, deal drugs and use horrendous violence to get what they want.
I don’t want girls coming here from Eastern Europe, Africa, the far east then being shifted from town to town to work in massage parlors providing happy endings.

See those thai, Vietnamese, Albanians, Kurds, Eastern Europeans, Africans (pretty much every country). They all come on boats, they come in wagons and containers. That HAS to stop.

You can’t differentiate on a boat or in a wagon who is who. You also can’t give them all a nice little day pass to return once we’ve done some checks, because they disappear and don’t come back.
 
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