Asylum seekers to be housed at Catterick Garrison...

[SmallTown]

Just watched it. I couldn’t disprove her with figures so would have to accept it.
She isn’t independent though and she dodged the question a little.
It is a fair and legitimate proposal to house people in these camps. The numbers dictate that the smaller housing places she described can no longer cope

What question did she dodge?

I still think you are missing the point: Surely it's significantly better for the country to actually process asylum claims in the first place?

Pros I can think of:
Money saved on schemes like housing, Rwanda, Small boats attacks etc.
Removal of people who ARE here without a legitimate asylum claim
Conversion of people genuinely seeking asylum from refugees who need to be housed and fed to working members of the community with all the tax benefits, economy stimulation and bonuses to corporations that would bring

Cons I can think of:
If our asylum assessments are incorrect we may have people we don't want here (note the IF and the MAY, plus, they would already technically be here. just undocumented, unprocessed and untraceable)
Some of them may be employed in jobs that a native could do (Although the fact there are over a million job vacancies in the uK would suggest this is unlikely)
I might have to live next door to someone with brown skin.

 

[Facefuzz]

Cons I can think of:
If our asylum assessments are incorrect we may have people we don't want here (note the IF and the MAY, plus, they would already technically be here. just undocumented, unprocessed and untraceable)

You mean illegally

 

[sherlock]

You mean illegally

I don’t think this comment is the win you think it is.

Yes, those people would then be here illegally because they would have had their claims processed and an outcome determined.

Under the current (non) process, we aren’t even processing claims.

 

[r00fie1]

This is plan A. Plan B is to make them enlist.

Perhaps all those in Parliament under 40, including their kids, should lead by example?
The RAMC could do with a few more Doctors.
The Sappers would benefit from those fleeing war - experience counts.
Infantry - the best soldiers - could always do with a few more.
Even 30p Lee could do his bit!
At targets to your front, carry on.......

 

[The_Tiler]

What question did she dodge?

I still think you are missing the point: Surely it's significantly better for the country to actually process asylum claims in the first place?

Pros I can think of:
Money saved on schemes like housing, Rwanda, Small boats attacks etc.
Removal of people who ARE here without a legitimate asylum claim
Conversion of people genuinely seeking asylum from refugees who need to be housed and fed to working members of the community with all the tax benefits, economy stimulation and bonuses to corporations that would bring

Cons I can think of:
If our asylum assessments are incorrect we may have people we don't want here (note the IF and the MAY, plus, they would already technically be here. just undocumented, unprocessed and untraceable)
Some of them may be employed in jobs that a native could do (Although the fact there are over a million job vacancies in the uK would suggest this is unlikely)
I might have to live next door to someone with brown skin.

I read your reply and agreed with it until I read the last sentence, then I switched off and put you back on ignore.

The old, "if you don't agree with me, you are a racist", bollox.

 

[sherlock]

The old, "if you don't agree with me, you are a racist", bollox.

You don’t think there is anything racist in this policy? You seriously don’t believe the government are deliberately tapping into that racist nationalism with this?

 

[Brian Marwood]

You mean illegally

Your comment sickens me as they don't know they're 'illegal' until they are processed.

Shove your 'illegal' where the sun doesn't shine, they are human beings.

 

[The Ruthsayer]

There’s something particularly distasteful about people who came here as migrants trying to shut the door on those opportunities for others.

Some of the people in the government are the most obvious examples but I also saw Wilfred Emmanuel-Jones (The Black Farmer) on Jeremy Vine yesterday.

He was arguing the toss against refugees coming here using all of the usual Tory rhetoric. It was pointed out to him by the other panellist that he came here as an economic migrant and he’s trying to prevent people fleeing persecution coming here. His reply was along the lines of ‘we have to draw the line somewhere’.

Talk about pulling up the drawbridge.

Mind you, this is the same cvnt who was on a few weeks back saying if some people drowned in the channel it was a price worth paying if it was a deterrent to others.

The drawbridge mentality is one of the more dispiriting facets of humanity. I’ve been interested in the role and use (and misuse) of race and racism in Brexit. The ethnic group that had the highest percentage of leave voters was the South Asian, especially those over 50 years of age. Interesting analysis by both LSE and UCL. I will dig out a few links when I have time.

 

[The_Tiler]

I didn't say that.

The last sentence of STs statement is not policy. It is a deliberate attempt at labelling someone racist who does not agree with him.

 

[JackG]

Perhaps all those in Parliament under 40, including their kids, should lead by example?
The RAMC could do with a few more Doctors.
The Sappers would benefit from those fleeing war - experience counts.
Infantry - the best soldiers - could always do with a few more.
Even 30p Lee could do his bit!
At targets to your front, carry on.......
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I'd like 30p Lee to enlist as cannon fodder.

 

[r00fie1]

I'd like 30p Lee to enlist as cannon fodder.

Wouldnt wanna share a mess tin with him!

 

[American_Mary]

Immigration is the new EU and the Conservative's are deliberately pushing a narrative that dehumanises and scapegoats people as the problem instead of policy.

People seeking asylum can enter any country by any means to claim asylum, you cannot illegally enter a country if your aim is asylum, there are no restrictions on where a person can seek asylum, the idea of first safe place is something peddled about as law by those who have an agenda and has no place within any framework of the UNHCR, Dublin Agreement, or the UK's own Refugee Act.

In 2010 81% of asylum claims were processed within 3 months of their application, currently less than 5% are processed in the same time frame, either unforeseen or deliberate policies like austerity and the resultant civil service cutbacks are a direct cause of this problem, Brexit means previous agreements with France and the rest of Europe have exacerbated this issue.

These people are not criminals but humans who want a life of safety and free of persecution, they risk everything to get here, not because they want to but to get here you have to, everybody says they have no problem with those who have legitimate claims to be here to be given asylum, however by stigmatising all those that enter as arriving illegally taints their reputation and justification.

A simple change of policy allowing Asylum application and process to be done remotely would cease the boats, stop the people trafficking, empty the hotels, give us back control etc and restore our reputation as a country based on beliefs of justice, fairness and right, we should be flag bearers showing the world how to do compassion correctly unlike this snarling guard dog government who push immigration policies that not only show a complete lack of empathy and solicitude at a human level but are utterly devoid of any coherence, cost efficacy, effectiveness or cogency on a political one.

Those seeking asylum here have a vested interest in making this country succeed and improve, they come to add positives not bring negatives, they come to build futures and we're being told by the likes of Braverman, a prime example of ladder pulling selfishness, that they are not allowed, they're criminal, they're unwanted and they're not welcome. That is not the Britain I love, she does not speak for me.

 

[sherlock]

A simple change of policy allowing Asylum application and process to be done remotely

Don’t even need to do it remotely. The French have offered multiple times to allow us to open a processing centre on French soil.

It is 100% a political decision not to do this as the government want to create the narrative that nothing can be done apart from their barbaric policies.

 

[SmallTown]

You mean illegally

No I don't. Again this is the problem with the government drip feeding you this lie. It's so pernicious you have come to believe it. They have the right to seek asylum. And we have the right to reject their claims. Nothing illegal has happened. I understand why you keep making the mistake because it's repeated so many times by the government and never corrected by the press.

 

[SmallTown]

I read your reply and agreed with it until I read the last sentence, then I switched off and put you back on ignore.

The old, "if you don't agree with me, you are a racist", bollox.

Yes that was a tongue in check reflection of how I see the current situation. Interesting that that's the part you decided to complain about though

 

[r00fie1]

Remember as a 11 year old being called a N***** lover because my best mate was black - who`s Dad was a Teacher from Trinidad - came on the Windrush!
Over half a century later an we`ve gone backwards. Some of the things happening now are definitely #not in my name.

 

[The_Tiler]

Yes that was a tongue in check reflection of how I see the current situation. Interesting that that's the part you decided to complain about though

There you go again.

I took you off ignore because I was genuinely interested in your reply. Unfortunately its the same old snide innuendos.

You sir, are a class one pr*ck. I really can't be bothered with you, back on ignore you go, permanently.

 

[Quicksilvera]

Perhaps all those in Parliament under 40, including their kids, should lead by example?
The RAMC could do with a few more Doctors.
The Sappers would benefit from those fleeing war - experience counts.
Infantry - the best soldiers - could always do with a few more.
Even 30p Lee could do his bit!
At targets to your front, carry on.......
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30p Lee wouldn’t last 2 minutes in the military, he would be flabbergasted when he realises lunch is £2! The forces when I left had improved ten fold when it came to cultural diversity, I truly hope this trend has carried on. When I first joined it was a racist establishment with a large bullying culture.

 

[Facefuzz]

Your comment sickens me as they don't know they're 'illegal' until they are processed.

Shove your 'illegal' where the sun doesn't shine, they are human beings.

Small town - people we don't want here (note the IF and the MAY, plus, they would already technically be here. just undocumented, unprocessed and untraceable)

You might not like it but that would be illegally

 

[Facefuzz]

Beauty thing about threads like this is the posters who perceive themselves as the ones who are most tolerant show themselves to be the least tolerant, especially if somebody else has a different viewpoint (which is valid)