Astra Zeneca vaccine withdrawn

1finny

1finny

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Wonderful how this has been reported.
On the one hand - no longer needed and there are many alternatives (from AZ)
On the other - banned is some countries and no longer wanted

One of them has to be true?
 
Quicksilvera said:
I have long term side effects of the vaccine, I honestly wish I never took it.
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Sorry to hear that - my brother has vowed never to have another after having three shots and catching covid after every one, and each time the symptoms were worse than the time before
 
Quicksilvera said:
Really? Sorry to hear that also, hopefully it will soon be a bad memory.
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Yep - i think he’s just ***ed off that he was led to believe he wouldn’t get any bad symptoms if he caught covid and all the jabs did was make sure he caught covid and made it feel worse every time.
 
I got COVID really bad (ended up in hospital) I didn’t want to take the vaccine, I thought I have the anti body’s now so I should be ok if I managed to catch it again? But my employers were pushing us to get it, it was all over media to still get the jab as it would stop you from catching it again and passing it on to vulnerable people, so I got AZ jab about 3 months after covid….i was ill for a week, back in bed and felt weak as a kitten again for months afterwards and I’d only just started to feel well again.

I got Covid again a year later.
 
Mysonpat. said:
I got COVID really bad (ended up in hospital) I didn’t want to take the vaccine, I thought I have the anti body’s now so I should be ok if I managed to catch it again? But my employers were pushing us to get it, it was all over media to still get the jab as it would stop you from catching it again and passing it on to vulnerable people, so I got AZ jab about 3 months after covid….i was ill for a week, back in bed and felt weak as a kitten again for months afterwards and I’d only just started to feel well again.

I got Covid again a year later.
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That is something i just can’t get my head round - natural immunity from prior infection means your immune system will recognise that virus again and mount a response
 
1finny said:
Wonderful how this has been reported.
On the one hand - no longer needed and there are many alternatives (from AZ)
On the other - banned is some countries and no longer wanted

One of them has to be true?
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Both could be true.

Banned / not wanted in some countries coupled with (potentially better) alternatives having been produced.
 
Merlin said:
Yep - i think he’s just ***ed off that he was led to believe he wouldn’t get any bad symptoms if he caught covid and all the jabs did was make sure he caught covid and made it feel worse every time.
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People still don't understand how a vaccination program works, what it does and what it does not do.

Here's a little simple exercise to help.

You are in charge of a railway junction. Evil Baron Covid has tied some people to the tracks; on one track is tied a single person, on the other track is tied ten people. The express train is coming, the points are set to the track with ten people on.

You have the chance to throw a switch and divert the train onto the other line. What are you going to do (you only have a moment to throw the switch)?

Of course you throw the switch.

When you take a vaccine there is a chance it will work, not work at all or kill you. If it works for 995 people out of a thousand, kills one and makes no difference to five, you have to sell that to the population. Go figure...
 
They stopped manufacturing it last year.
It’s far easier and cheaper for pfizer to update the vaccines for new strains than AZ.

The clotting issue was known about in 2021 which is why it was pulled for young’uns and pfizer given.

Its odd how Anti-vaxers mainly moan about mrna vaccines, but the AZ is the one that caused most issues.

Still AZ is far safer than anaesthetic and we wouldn’t want to ban that would we.
 
Nobody should be made to take a vaccine, generally. However personal stories demonstrate nothing. Whilst I have sympathy for people on the thread who suffered, the vaccine saved hundreds of thousands of lives.
 
Muttley said:
People still don't understand how a vaccination program works, what it does and what it does not do.

Here's a little simple exercise to help.

You are in charge of a railway junction. Evil Baron Covid has tied some people to the tracks; on one track is tied a single person, on the other track is tied ten people. The express train is coming, the points are set to the track with ten people on.

You have the chance to throw a switch and divert the train onto the other line. What are you going to do (you only have a moment to throw the switch)?

Of course you throw the switch.

When you take a vaccine there is a chance it will work, not work at all or kill you. If it works for 995 people out of a thousand, kills one and makes no difference to five, you have to sell that to the population. Go figure...
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I don’t have a problem with that, if you want to undertake a medical procedure because you think it might benefit you then great - but when people are bullied or coerced into taking something that they don’t really want or are unsure about taking, then yes i definitely have a problem with that.
 
Have you ever thought that just maybe a bunch of professional medical experts actually do know a thing or two and that, statistically,some people are just unfortunate?

Other than some very early strains, the vaccines weren't expected to prevent people getting Covid. The idea was to get enough people with enough antibodies to slow it down and reduce hospital admissions - exactly what we had to have lockdowns for prior to the vaccines being made available.

The vast majority of people had a very minor reaction to Covid - sniffles and a bit of a cough. Plenty didn't even know they had it without testing.

If you had a bad reaction then you're in a statistically small group to begin with. The vaccines might have helped or done nothing at all for those people - it's impossible to tell as there's no way to do a simultaneous experiment with two of the same individual - one with and one without the vaccine.

However, we know vaccines work. We know how they work. The Covid vaccine was based on research from other vaccination programmes.

In any normal society we'd be hailing the medical geniuses behind the vaccines rather than creating conspiracy theories and using anecdotal evidence to rubbish them.
 
Muttley said:
People still don't understand how a vaccination program works, what it does and what it does not do.

Here's a little simple exercise to help.

You are in charge of a railway junction. Evil Baron Covid has tied some people to the tracks; on one track is tied a single person, on the other track is tied ten people. The express train is coming, the points are set to the track with ten people on.

You have the chance to throw a switch and divert the train onto the other line. What are you going to do (you only have a moment to throw the switch)?

Of course you throw the switch.

When you take a vaccine there is a chance it will work, not work at all or kill you. If it works for 995 people out of a thousand, kills one and makes no difference to five, you have to sell that to the population. Go figure...
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But I got Covid again and passed it on to other people (quite a few) did the vaccine work?
 
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