Assisted dying

Do you agree with the assisted dying bill?

  • Yes

    Votes: 118 82.5%

  • No

    Votes: 25 17.5%
  • Total voters
    143
All the Tees Valley MPs:

Anna Turley, Jonathan Brash and Luke Myers voted in favour.

Matt Vickers, Andy McDonald, Lola McEvoy and Chris McDonald voted against.
 
Chemicalworker said:
Introducing assisted dying wasnt on the Labour manifesto
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That’s a fair point. However this isn’t really a party political issue and it isn’t a manifesto or a referendum we are talking about. This was a public poll, the public are massively in favour of something that is purely about ethics and morals, that means that people feel this should be a personal choice. It’s not quite the same as “tax less”, this is about the reach of the government and laws right to interfere on our personal dignity
 
Well I didn’t write some thing but this page keeps refreshing multiple time like the gazettes website and deleted it . I gave up 🤷‍♂️
 
BoroMart said:
That’s a fair point. However this isn’t really a party political issue and it isn’t a manifesto or a referendum we are talking about. This was a public poll, the public are massively in favour of something that is purely about ethics and morals, that means that people feel this should be a personal choice. It’s not quite the same as “tax less”, this is about the reach of the government and laws right to interfere on our personal dignity
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I’m not government by public polls
 
Chemicalworker said:
I’m not government by public polls
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me neither other than an election, as already pointed out this was not out of the blue, and they've just been voted in. But the will of the people in matters of moral conscience is fairly important. Otherwise it's governing over the people, not on behalf of the people.
 
BoroMart said:
me neither other than an election, as already pointed out this was not out of the blue, and they've just been voted in. But the will of the people in matters of moral conscience is fairly important. Otherwise it's governing over the people, not on behalf of the people.
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Don't want to derail the thread here, but to think that "the will of the people in matters of moral conscience is fairly important" is surely a recipe for disaster in a representative democracy with an unelected Head of State? Godwins Law and all that prevents me from hyperbolising too wildly, but we directly elect our representatives to do a better job than we can as a constituency, surely?
 
Chemicalworker said:
Thats exactly it
Not a promise to introduce a law
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I think it was always going to be a thing at some point regardless of who was in charge .
My dad had a do not resuscitate on his records and that’s exactly what happened so he was gone within 24 hours of being in hospital. He looked after my mam years ago , she was laid in bed medicated for awhile until the body gave up Who knows , would this of been more humane ?
It’s a sad situation whatever the choice .
 
theboydom said:
Don't want to derail the thread here, but to think that "the will of the people in matters of moral conscience is fairly important" is surely a recipe for disaster in a representative democracy with an unelected Head of State? Godwins Law and all that prevents me from hyperbolising too wildly, but we directly elect our representatives to do a better job than we can as a constituency, surely?
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To a degree, in governance, but how do you govern good moral choices, you can’t, there are no experts in moral choices and if there were, they certainly in not wouldn’t be politicians, they’d be at the back of that queue
 
Just watching the interview of the fella that has cancer pretty much everywhere in his body

Very emotional, not sure how you can keep taking away the right to an assisted death from people like him
 
BoroMart said:
To a degree, in governance, but how do you govern good moral choices, you can’t, there are no experts in moral choices and if there were, they certainly in not wouldn’t be politicians, they’d be at the back of that queue
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Well in this example, Anna Turley MP was minded to vote yes as long as she felt the safeguards in place were strong enough, but committed to read all the communication she was sent from constituents. Obviously she didn't read mine carefully enough 😜 but we go again. You cannot allow a tyrrany of the majority, no matter the cause it is exercised in.
 
boroboy6872 said:
Just watching the interview of the fella that has cancer pretty much everywhere in his body

Very emotional, not sure how you can keep taking away the right to an assisted death from people like him
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I think there’d be very few who wouldn’t want to give him the option
People who voted against will have done so because of the fears of vulnerable people being coerced into suicide
Of course there will be some who’s religious beliefs wouldn’t allow them to vote for it and that should be respected
 
Just to lighten the mood, I wonder will Esther Rantzen be allowed to die by a funny shaped potato…..well that’s life isn’t it!
 
I am in favour of allowing people to have this choice, providing that robust safeguards are in place which I’m sure there will be. However I do accept some of the concerns from the other side of the argument. I have just seen footage from todays debate in the House of Commons, and I must say although an emotional subject, it was very refreshing to see some grown up politics for once. Credit where it’s due, to all sides of the house.
 
It's important that people actually understand what the bill is offering:


It only applies to those estimated to have 6 months to live. It wouldn't apply to people with dementia because they wouldn't have capacity (by definition). Having POA is irrelevant because again (by definition) the patient would not have capacity to request it if a POA was needed. By the time anyone with dementia only has 6 months left they'll not have capacity to request it. They have to be physically able to take the substances themselves. Don't see how it can be refused on principle, if anything IMO it should be more widely available.
 
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