Assisted dying

Do you agree with the assisted dying bill?

  • Yes

    Votes: 118 82.5%

  • No

    Votes: 25 17.5%
  • Total voters
    143
MolteniArcore said:
Both can go side by side - just because we could have better end of life care does not mean that we shouldn’t have assisted dying.
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This may be.

My concern is that it will become the accepted view that palliative care is not needed because if there is pain -> just end it.

I'm not sure.

I have an advanced care plan that specifies withholding interventional treatments from me in certain circumstances (I'm in my late 30s) so I understand not wanting to prolonged a suffering life, but most of the circumstances I am concerned about are not covered in this bill.
 
JM14 said:
I honestly can’t see how this can even be a debate. People should absolutely have the right to have this option and it’s incredibly cruel that they currently don’t
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It's a debate because it's a Private Members Bill that is, er, up for debate. As ever, the competing 'rights' of different groups need to be balanced. A concern here is that those least able to protect themselves (or most in need of protection from themselves) will be the ones who suffer the most if this Bill gets that balance wrong.
 
theboydom said:
It's a debate because it's a Private Members Bill that is, er, up for debate. As ever, the competing 'rights' of different groups need to be balanced. A concern here is that those least able to protect themselves (or most in need of protection from themselves) will be the ones who suffer the most if this Bill gets that balance wrong.
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If of sane mind and not coerced then it should be nothing to do with “interest groups” but a personal decision
 
BoroMart said:
If of sane mind and not coerced then it should be nothing to do with “interest groups” but a personal decision
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There is too much sway with such groups nowadays - look at the church! They are giving an opinion but on recent form they really should be keeping their heads down - they certainly are not bastions of morality!
 
The YouGov polling on this bill is interesting:

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In all demographics the public overwhelmingly support the bill. If the HoC vote this down it would really show that they are out of touch with the public.

Interesting as well as why Reform voters are most opposed, I thought it would be Tories who topped that poll. Maybe just goes to show which group has the least empathy to others!

This shows why we’ve never had a referendum on the subject, it would be a landslide.

With polling like this is blows the arguments made by MPs such as ‘we need more of a public debate’ out of the water. The public know what they want.
 
MolteniArcore said:
In all demographics the public overwhelmingly support the bill. If the HoC vote this down it would really show that they are out of touch with the public.
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We can guarantee that the church of englands representatives in the HoL (why on earth they have these seats I can’t get my head around) will vote against it, an out of touch institute with more influence and power than they should and very vocal against this subject
 
BoroMart said:
We can guarantee that the church of englands representatives in the HoL (why on earth they have these seats I can’t get my head around) will vote against it, an out of touch institute with more influence and power than they should and very vocal against this subject
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MolteniArcore said:
The YouGov polling on this bill is interesting:

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In all demographics the public overwhelmingly support the bill. If the HoC vote this down it would really show that they are out of touch with the public.

Interesting as well as why Reform voters are most opposed, I thought it would be Tories who topped that poll. Maybe just goes to show which group has the least empathy to others!

This shows why we’ve never had a referendum on the subject, it would be a landslide.

With polling like this is blows the arguments made by MPs such as ‘we need more of a public debate’ out of the water. The public know what they want.
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So based on public opinion if the majority expressed the opinion that a return of capital punishment was needed would we be ok with?
A poll in April 2021found that 54% of Britons said they would support reinstating the death penalty for those convicted of terrorism in the UK.
And of course the last time we took a decision based on a public vote went really well didn’t it
 
Chemicalworker said:
So based on public opinion if the majority expressed the opinion that a return of capital punishment was needed would we be ok with?
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That’s democracy isn’t it, warts and all, I seriously doubt that it would garner a majority. Of course it would need a party to seal election on that principle and gain a majority to then push the idea first.

The key principle with this discussion is if the government and law has the right over someone’s personal freedom, not how the justice system works which everyone agrees is a government responsibility. So it’s a distinct and important difference that makes this an apples and oranges comparison
 
BoroMart said:
If of sane mind and not coerced then it should be nothing to do with “interest groups” but a personal decision
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...and that is exactly the issue with the Bill, @BoroMart , it does not have safeguards in place. This is an extremely emotive subject and over 300 "interest groups" who represent the disabled are asking for a no vote because of their concerns at what this Bill will do to our society. A personal decision to die by suicide has repercussions beyond the individual, as anyone connected to someone who has died by suicide will know. Getting the State involved does not lessen those repercussions.
 
Borobuddah said:
My wife died last year she wanted to die over a month before she actually did.

The most horrible month of her and mine and the kids, for what?

Please support this bill I beg you
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She was desperate for relief, me and the kids would have been right with her in that decision, as we had to be while watching her struggle when she had really gone already, just subjected to further undignified horrible agony
 
BoroBosco said:
You never heard of coercion?

I'm actually for a person being able to choose when they die but from what I've read I don't think this bill goes far enough with protecting the vulnerable and oddly not far enough in the range of people who would be eligible.
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The bill is at its first stage.
 
BoroMart said:
That’s democracy isn’t it, warts and all, I seriously doubt that it would garner a majority. Of course it would need a party to seal election on that principle and gain a majority to then push the idea first.

The key principle with this discussion is if the government and law has the right over someone’s personal freedom, not how the justice system works which everyone agrees is a government responsibility. So it’s a distinct and important difference that makes this an apples and oranges comparison
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No it’s not
We vote in MPs who then vote in laws
Are you suggesting we have a referendum on every subject
I’ll give you one then
Would you like to pay tax- please vote yes or no
We will then follow public opinion
 
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