Are France the biggest opposition since Germany 1990?

The French are missing 4 key players.

Considering that, I think we've got a stronger squad, but they've got the best player.
 
B_G said:
Even if we lose tonight I would still argue we were the best team in the competition.

Man City have been the best team in the FA Cup for the last 5 or 6 years and only won it once. That's knock out football for you. The best team doesn't always win. They are just the most likely winner. I think we would all agree Brazil are better than Croatia and Spain are better than Morocco.

Anyway, I fancy England to get it done tonight. Like I say, the experience of the last two major tournaments has to be a huge positive.
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Well Id save that assessment until after tonights game BG. This is the first great team we will have played this tournament. Lets see how we cope before bestowing best team of the tournament titles on teams.
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
Well Id save that assessment until after tonights game BG. This is the first great team we will have played this tournament. Lets see how we cope before bestowing best team of the tournament titles on teams.
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Likewise for France too, at least.

Should be a good game.
 
Jedi boro said:
I agree it does but then you have to remember that France have the exactly the same experience but they actually won it.
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World Cup yes.
Euros the most recent tournament (which most of our current squad played in) they went out in the last 16. We went all the way.

Mbappe is a class act, no doubt about it, but we have the tools to deal with him.

Maybe I'm over confident but I really think we are the best team in the competition and will win the game tonight.
 
It’s going to be epic as we can win but it’s going to be really tough.

I’m hopeful but it’s England and we all know how dramatic England games are.

A Boro England double imagine how awesome that would be…..
 
B_G said:
Euros the most recent tournament (which most of our current squad played in) they went out in the last 16. We went all the way.

Mbappe is a class act, no doubt about it, but we have the tools to deal with him.

Maybe I'm over confident but I really think we are the best team in the competition and will win the game tonight.
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That French defeat in R16 in the Euros will serve them well. They were cruising 3-1 in that game until 2 late Swiss goals took it to penalties which are a lottery.
 
Dispassionate football traders don't think England are the best team in the competition. England are not even favourites for tonight's game 13/8 France 2/1 England. 5/1 to win the competition outright. Probably about right.
 
Portugal have looked as good as anyone in this competition, its absolutely mental to look past them.
 
Laughing said:
Dispassionate football traders don't think England are the best team in the competition. England are not even favourites for tonight's game 13/8 France 2/1 England. 5/1 to win the competition outright. Probably about right.
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Bookies odds had Joshua about 1/3 to beat Usyk in their first fight but anyone with any sort of boxing knowledge knew that Usyk was far superior.

Bookies odds aren't always the best indicator.

My opinion anyway, England have the best squad and best first team in the competition
 
Reality check. France are the biggest competition we have met in this tournament, let alone since Germany 1990. It's a great test of where this England team are at right now. Was the|Germany team of Euro 2018 the last big football nation we knocked out? and they were nowhere near where France are now.
 
TeaCider said:
The French are missing 4 key players.

Considering that, I think we've got a stronger squad, but they've got the best player.
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France we’re my favourites initially, but after my conversation with Neil Warnock he convinced me otherwise. I do think we”ve got a bit more than France this World Cup and rather than France being the Germany in 1990 I’m seeing other countries being our failures in years gone by.. Spain echoing our previous fragility when it comes to penalties, Brazil too.

This tournament to me, we feel like the 98 era French team.. maybe early 2010’s Spain

Where before we’ve had one top quality player and we’ve been beaten by teams with three or four.. that feels like us this tournament. Southgate has done tremendously well.

In Saka, Foden & Bellingham we are looking at the new Mbappe, Fernandes & Messi imo
 
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B_G said:
Bookies odds had Joshua about 1/3 to beat Usyk in their first fight but anyone with any sort of boxing knowledge knew that Usyk was far superior.

Bookies odds aren't always the best indicator.

My opinion anyway, England have the best squad and best first team in the competition
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You are right bookies do get it wrong. They are only a reflection of probabilities. In a one of match a 10/1 chance can win.

France a probably better than England.
 
Laughing said:
You are right bookies do get it wrong. They are only a reflection of probabilities. In a one of match a 10/1 chance can win.

France a probably better than England.
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They use a lot of factors to dictate the odds though including betting patterns, sports analysts opinions, form etc

I'll go back to that Usyk v Joshua fight. 1/3 reflects a 75% chance of winning. The second fight Joshua was 6/4 reflecting a 40% chance of winning.

There's no way boxing ability changed that much in 6 months that the probability changed that much. The bookies just got it wrong the first time. And if they fought again I would guess Joshua would be closer to 4/1.

Bookies get it wrong and they are primarily dictated by bets taken. The point using bookies odds as back up for an argument is flawed.
 
Bristolboro said:
Reality check. France are the biggest competition we have met in this tournament, let alone since Germany 1990. It's a great test of where this England team are at right now. Was the|Germany team of Euro 2018 the last big football nation we knocked out? and they were nowhere near where France are now.
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I’m putting Germany 1990 as it was World Cup semi final v arguably the best side in the competition ( Croatia werent in 2018) as I’d say that’s the highest World Cup Game we’ve ever played on foreign soil.
 
B_G said:
They use a lot of factors to dictate the odds though including betting patterns, sports analysts opinions, form etc

I'll go back to that Usyk v Joshua fight. 1/3 reflects a 75% chance of winning. The second fight Joshua was 6/4 reflecting a 40% chance of winning.

There's no way boxing ability changed that much in 6 months that the probability changed that much. The bookies just got it wrong the first time. And if they fought again I would guess Joshua would be closer to 4/1.

Bookies get it wrong and they are primarily dictated by bets taken. The point using bookies odds as back up for an argument is flawed.
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I quoted betfair which is an open market and reflect the entire market opinion.

I don't suppose anyone thinks Croatia are better than Brazil or boro are better than man utd.

You are entitled to your opinion, of course.
 
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