Are Derbyshire Police right to name and shame?

Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
They're being heavy handed. So long as people are keeping their distance why should it matter how far they've travelled in their car.

As for the clown criticising those travelling then saying he was biking, which didn't count as it wasn't in a car. You've got more chance of spreading it than someone in a car.
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What about when you get to/from your destination? use a parking machine or a public toilet in the car park? Video literally shows people parked next to each other, and an open topped vehicle with the hood down. Also can see those lift-up bin lids there. Or what if you have it, sneeze on your dog and your dog runs over to someone while out on a walk? You're also likely to come into contact with other people as has been shown in pictures and videos of these beauty spots where people are congregating. Going out on my bike near where I live is easy to give people a very wide berth, and I dont have to drive anywhere in my car to do it or interact with anyone/thing. When you're huffing and puffing on a narrow trail on a hike thats not so easy, especially if your putting your hands onto surfaces for support as you climb. I can go on my bike and not come within 2m of people with no difficulty whatsoever, you cant do that on rose berry topping where many of the paths are narrow and people will be huffing and puffing from exhertion, which will be similar to walks in the peak district. The pictures of the cars overflowing outside of rose berry topping says it all really, having walked that route hundreds of times there is no way people can keep that distance.

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1finny said:
Sadly, I have seen a fair share of idiot cyclists too
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1finny said:
Sadly, I have seen a fair share of idiot cyclists too
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1finny said:
Sadly, I have seen a fair share of idiot cyclists too
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Me too finny, cyclists who jump a red light, fail to stop when approaching a red light, wear no visibilty when poor lighting, wearing no helmets, the list is endless, those are the idiot cyclists (n)
 
Round the corner from me a Garden Centre is open and down the road near the beach the car parks are closed, there’s a massive dissonance between what is said and how people are interpreting it, as said when the lockdown was announced travelling by car to exercise was fine by the guidelines as long as social distancing is maintained, that contradicts the only travel when it’s essential guideline that was issued the same day.

There has to be a single non interpretive message, not the contradictory situation we have at present.

How can you castigate those involved if they’re following a clearly stated policy that travel to exercise is ok and no doubt heading to remote places in good faith based on social distancing ?
 
sadgit said:
Again,.... FFS common sense. Driving out to go for a walk is not essential.
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When are we going to realise that there is no such thing as common sense? Everyone’s interpretation of it is different, so there’s nothing common about it at all.

If you’re a Government introducing the most important public policy in decades in order to save lives, you certainly shouldn’t be relying on common sense for its successful implementation.
 
The real issue is that everybody is interpreting these messages their own sweet way to fit their personal circumstances. The message is clear. Driving is not exercise. By moving around like this we risk spreading the virus to other areas and communities that might not have it or even risk picking it up from a community that has it and bringing it home with us. Human beings are selfish, some unfortunately more so than others

Why should any of us be out driving unless we need to for food or helping the vulnerable. I received a message from North Yorkshire police it read:

“We are still seeing people drive to remote locations to take their daily exercise, walk their dogs or have “drive around to clear their head”.

I would ask those people to pause for a moment and think about this:

Yesterday whilst out shopping you picked up a can of beans, 10 minutes before you a person who had picked up the virus in the last 5 days, so wasn’t showing any symptoms, picked up the same can of beans and has now transferred the virus to you. Today you have driven and gone for a walk on the moors, on your way home your car breaks down and you have to call a recovery service now you passed the virus on the breakdown driver. Or, you have a minor RTC, the Police attend, chances are now the Officers who attend have picked up the virus along with the person who you had the RTC with. Or even worse, it’s a serious RTC, Police, Ambulance, Fire and Air ambulance have to attend all now who have the potential to be affected.

Please be part of the solution, not the problem

Please Stay at Home, Protect the NHS, Save Lives

It is really easy to see knock on effects. This virus is invisible, it kills indiscriminately hangs around for several days on surfaces and attacks anyone anywhere without a care. This virus may even be mutating as it travels around the globe. We know so little about it, yet a walk on the moors is deemed essential by some. What if farmers are affected, the food chain starts to get interupted, god forbid it mutates to be passed on to other animals, all sorts of potential risks, so why do it when it is not NECESSARY or ESSENTIAL?

Please think about everything you do and the potential risk to others not just yourselves. This Virus deserves our respect and full attention till a vaccine is found.
 
Also If you are taking non essential travel in the car you are using up your fuel whixh in tirn means you will then eventually go to fill it up which could be avoided. More contact at the garage! Its simole and no ambiguity I feel when it comes to exercise. Stay at home unless you do one piece of exercise or you are going to essential work that cant be done at home or for food. . Simple rule. The virus cant move on its own it will get you to do it.
 
One of the problems is that people think the 1 form of exercise outside is compulsary. It is there if you need it. Ideally everybody will stay home and reduce the risk of catching/spreading the virus. Too may people are trying their best to find ways of getting around the lockdown criteria rather than taking this as the serious situation that it is. The simple fact is the country should've been in lockdown weeks ago.
I'd love to go out walking in the hills or to the beach, go and meet friends for a run, go and visit my parents. But i don't because I know if I do then there's a chance I might be spreading the virus and potentially killing someone, maybe my parents. So I stay home and don't go out unless absolutely necessary.
People really need to stop being so selfish and start taking this seriously..
 
Latest government advice sounds sensible.

The government has just updated its guidance on access to green spaces. They are now telling people to “stay local and use open spaces near to your home where possible – do not travel unnecessarily”.

The update came after police forces used drones and roadblocks to deter members of the public from driving to beauty spots and national parks in order to walk their dogs and take exercise.


Note the government is still not explicitly outlawing driving somewhere but is obviously trying to discourage people from making unnecessary journeys.

The guidance now says:

  • stay local and use open spaces near to your home where possible – do not travel unnecessarily
  • you should only go outside alone or with members of your own household
  • keep at least 2 metres apart from anyone outside your household at all times
  • gatherings of more than two in parks or other public spaces have been banned and the police will enforce this
  • if you have a garden, make use of the space for exercise and fresh air
  • take hygiene precautions when you are outside, and wash your hands as soon as you are back indoors
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MancErimus13 said:
One of the problems is that people think the 1 form of exercise outside is compulsary. It is there if you need it. Ideally everybody will stay home and reduce the risk of catching/spreading the virus. Too may people are trying their best to find ways of getting around the lockdown criteria rather than taking this as the serious situation that it is. The simple fact is the country should've been in lockdown weeks ago.
I'd love to go out walking in the hills or to the beach, go and meet friends for a run, go and visit my parents. But i don't because I know if I do then there's a chance I might be spreading the virus and potentially killing someone, maybe my parents. So I stay home and don't go out unless absolutely necessary.
People really need to stop being so selfish and start taking this seriously..
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You may have a point here. I've seen so many people out running who clearly have never laced up a pair of Brooks in their lives. It's frustrating that people are using it as an excuse. More draconian restrictions will be on their way and we'll only have ourselves to blame.
 
Yep I'm with Bob (and seemingly now the Government) on this.

Travel anywhere is only for essential purposes. Whilst you are encouraged to exercise it's highly unlikely anyone lives anywhere it is essential to travel by car in order to exercise?
 
"Why have the Government specifically requested local authorities and national parks to keep their parks, beaches and countryside open for essential exercise, if it’s not acceptable for the public to use them?"

For people who live near parks, beaches etc? Especially in cities it's easier for people to keep social distancing in place whilst taking a walk in a park than on a roadside pavement for example.

I thought it was pretty obvious that you shouldn't travel anywhere except for essentials. The exercise part was therefore obviously intended as near your home. I think the government have been vague on lots of things, but I didn't really think that was one of them.
 
That's how I've interpreted the following line:

stay local and use open spaces near to your home where possible – do not travel unnecessarily

The % of people who would find it necessary to travel (particularly by car) in order to exercise must be pretty low?
 
wilkos_perm said:
I thought it was pretty obvious that you shouldn't travel anywhere except for essentials. The exercise part was therefore obviously intended as near your home. I think the government have been vague on lots of things, but I didn't really think that was one of them.
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Except that the Government has now had to amend its own guidance in light of the fact that thousands of people were misinterpreting it. The new wording is designed to remove the ambiguity on this issue caused by the original guidance, which is something that was readily foreseeable.

That was my point, not that the way people were behaving was correct.
 
changingman said:
That's how I've interpreted the following line:

stay local and use open spaces near to your home where possible – do not travel unnecessarily

The % of people who would find it necessary to travel (particularly by car) in order to exercise must be pretty low?
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I'm fortunate that I can walk locally and get to a shop by foot if necessary. I won't be traveling in a vehicle. Not everyone is in that position.

My next door neighbour is high risk and has stopped going out as she isn't mobile enough to cross over the road quickly if someone else is on the pavement. I'd have no problem with her driving somewhere so she feels she can walk safely. So, next door neighbours, one can easily exercise as the deputy CMO encouraged us to do two nights ago, the other can't. I hope she doesn't feel guilty if she did go in a car somewhere for her own physical and mental well-being.

I might have a different view if I lived in Abbeydale road in Sheffield; a ten minute drive to a secluded walk or try and avoid people in Abbeydale park? I'd probably go for the former and keep myself and other people safe.
 
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