Are Derbyshire Police right to name and shame?

Norman_Conquest said:
Redcar use to be a great place to visit and it is only through the lack of forward thinking from the councils that it's ended up in the state it was. Redcar was always a brilliant night out and the Top Deck would have given the Maddison and Mandy's a run for its money in the 80's. Living in Normanby, we would regularly jump on the 263 and head off to the Top Deck rather than go to Middlesbrough.

The beaches at Redcar are really nice with the view from the South Gare looking towards Huntcliff being one of my favourites.
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100% the fault of the local authorities, like so many deliberately run down locations across the North East. Made especially worse in our area by the constant bickering and in-fighting between all the local councils. You would have to think we would all have been better off under the control of one large Cleveland Council with some influence rather than half a dozen small organisations we have today.
 
Billy69_uk said:
100% the fault of the local authorities, like so many deliberately run down locations across the North East. Made especially worse in our area by the constant bickering and in-fighting between all the local councils. You would have to think we would all have been better off under the control of one large Cleveland Council with some influence rather than half a dozen small organisations we have today.
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I would have to disagree with your last sentence regarding one large authority. Eston Grange was much better off under Eston Urban Council than it is under Redcar & Cleveland Council. It was one of the better off councils in the country and then it was drawn into the larger authority to share the wealth.
 
Nothing that local authorities have the power to do would have ever stopped people going on foreign holidays instead of to seaside resorts resulting in less money being spent in coastal towns that don't have historical significance or quaint appeal (i.e victorian saltburn, whitby etc), nor the waves of unemployment & austerity caused by various recessions reducing locally spent money. It's not an issue endemic to Teesside, coastal towns around the country have felt the same pinch. Even looking at nightclubs, there used to be loads in Boro compared to what there is now.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
I would have to disagree with your last sentence regarding one large authority. Eston Grange was much better off under Eston Urban Council than it is under Redcar & Cleveland Council. It was one of the better off councils in the country and then it was drawn into the larger authority to share the wealth.
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I cant disagree with that point, its much the same for Billingham, which historically had a lot of income form ICI etc, then had to "share the wealth" and has been largely overlooked since.

The point I was incompetently trying to make is that one larger authority should have a louder voice and more sway with national bodies and government as well as suppliers etc.
 
Some one asked this specific question on the BBC Q&A bit on Tuesday:
"I drive 30 minutes to a secluded spot where I can exercise for 60 minutes without seeing another person.I then drive 30 minutes home. Am I okay to do this or does the 1per day exercise have to start from my house?" (something like that anyway)

The answer was that you are perfectly okay to drive somewhere to exercise. It does not have to start from your front door !

I remember this clearly as I was having the same argument with my wife at the time about me driving somewhere in the country - away from people - to do a walk and this answer shut her up.

There is nothing wrong with what these people are doing. They are exercising whilst isolating themselves from others (as advised). The police are simply being @r$ehols as per. They haven't got a fcuking clue what the law is that they are trying to enforce so are just making it up.
 
Say we all go to these isolated spots, then what?

I dont think they are being @r$ehols as per, they're doing what's been asked of them, no one bat an eyelid when two couples were sat in the town centre, one having a smoke the other stood alongside her & the police were asking them to move on, as opposed to someone driving 30 miles which is then ok
 
Billy69_uk said:
I cant disagree with that point, its much the same for Billingham, which historically had a lot of income form ICI etc, then had to "share the wealth" and has been largely overlooked since.

The point I was incompetently trying to make is that one larger authority should have a louder voice and more sway with national bodies and government as well as suppliers etc.
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Exactly the point I am making Billy. Like Billingham, Eston Urban Council had money coming in form all the works in South Bank and Grangetown. Similar to Billingham, the council built a new precinct in Eston that is now an eye sore, Eston baths and the Sports Centre.

I suppose having aa larger voice would make us heard more. Love or loathe Houchen, you have to take your hat off to him for what he's done and he's got that larger voice that you speak of.
 
Like I said this was answered in the BBC Q&A on Tuesday. How is making everyone walk out around the streets going to maintain social distancing ? I am far less likely to meet anyone heading 30 minutes away from home.
 
Konrad_the_Barbarian said:
Some one asked this specific question on the BBC Q&A bit on Tuesday:
"I drive 30 minutes to a secluded spot where I can exercise for 60 minutes without seeing another person.I then drive 30 minutes home. Am I okay to do this or does the 1per day exercise have to start from my house?" (something like that anyway)

The answer was that you are perfectly okay to drive somewhere to exercise. It does not have to start from your front door !

I remember this clearly as I was having the same argument with my wife at the time about me driving somewhere in the country - away from people - to do a walk and this answer shut her up.

There is nothing wrong with what these people are doing. They are exercising whilst isolating themselves from others (as advised). The police are simply being @r$ehols as per. They haven't got a fcuking clue what the law is that they are trying to enforce so are just making it up.
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My argument here is what would happen if you had an accident whilst walking in a remote area (I know this can happen on your door step) and who would come and help you. It is taking vital resources away from the area it is needed.
 
One thing we ought to have learnt by now is that people interpret advice differently.
I've no idea where these people travelled from but I cycled the other day and ended up in the countryside - not much of a difference and, I'm doing as advised - cycling?
 
Like you say this could easily happen walking form my home. Either case would require vital resources. What if I had an RTA going to collect groceries, what if I had an accident walking our elderly neighbours dog ............. ?

I am stating what was actually said on the BBC Q&A on Tuesday.

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What if finny or you other cyclists had an accident miles from home - which is probably more likely than me having an accident walking in the country given the state of our roads.
 
They're being heavy handed. So long as people are keeping their distance why should it matter how far they've travelled in their car.

As for the clown criticising those travelling then saying he was biking, which didn't count as it wasn't in a car. You've got more chance of spreading it than someone in a car.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
They're being heavy handed. So long as people are keeping their distance why should it matter how far they've travelled in their car.

As for the clown criticising those travelling then saying he was biking, which didn't count as it wasn't in a car. You've got more chance of spreading it than someone in a car.
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I've been told I can go out cycling by our PM - thanks
 
It was OK, however since Thursday when new police powers came in - exercise is fine, though only: essential travel, is permitted... driving 10, 20 or 30 miles to go for a walk is not essential travel.

I like going to the beach early at low tide & walking on the empty beaches.... I'm not doing that again until this has passed, it will be local streets & what little green spaces there are.
 
I wasn't referring to you, but there hasn't been a stop put on travelling by car either. If you're in a car you're not spreading to those outside (I'm not a driver at current, so no bias).
 
I think its over the top personally, although I think the general message that comes out of it, and the discussion it starts, is helpful.

There can never be a broad piece of advice that covers all scenarios, but people are still regularly breaching the guidelines - the fact the Police are using some enforcement will check peoples thinking and thats not a bad thing.

The message still hasn't landed with many and its needs to.
 
Whatever the way you look at it I cant see this isolation easing off, if anything, I can see it extended & maybe more forceful, then what, what type of exercising / social distancing can we carry out then?
 
Erimus74 said:
Whatever the way you look at it I cant see this isolation easing off, if anything, I can see it extended & maybe more forceful, then what, what type of exercising / social distancing can we carry out then?
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I think its almost certain it will extend beyond the initial 21 days
 
Norman_Conquest said:
My argument here is what would happen if you had an accident whilst walking in a remote area (I know this can happen on your door step) and who would come and help you. It is taking vital resources away from the area it is needed.
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That has never been an argument for not traveling. Until it is, social distancing is THE MESSAGE. Police should social distance as well.
 
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