Anyone think houchen will get back in?

Local media must play a huge role in this? Years ago local newspapers were the bastion of investigative journalism and would have been absolutely all over the Teesworks corruption. Unfortunately it's largely dying across the country and relies on it's financial upkeep from those very individuals it should be scrutinising.

While it does survive however, it really isn't serving the people who are paying to buy it
 
TheLodger said:
Lots of interesting discussions on here, some I totally agree with, some I totally disagree with, and mostly slightly agree or disagree.

We need to get better with social media- much better!
As 5 labour groups we need to work together better.
We need much more money to even slightly compete with the Tories in leaflets, social media spends and advertising our offer.
We need a candidate at the start of their public service career not at the end.
We need a vision and stick with it, and stop living in the past.
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Oh, I forgot to add that the the Tories are so much better at lying than us.
 
Laughing said:
Given you won't be voting for them your opinion is, largely meaningless. Until the next election cycle comes around, of course.
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Don't be so stupid. My opinion is as valid as anyone elses. I won't vote for Turley but I can see what's happening in the area and I have a reasonable idea of what Labour will try to do and I know how the people that are backing Houchen will respond. Teesside is going to end up missing out yet again when the war between a Labour government and a Tory Mayor begins. If that happens the area suffers.

Labour have seriously dropped a ******* with this and it follows the exact same pattern as the brexit debacle. The problem with this is trying to work out the underlying motive behind Labour not wanting to win - because that's what it looks like.

No engagement. No information. No clue.

TheLodger said:
Lots of interesting discussions on here, some I totally agree with, some I totally disagree with, and mostly slightly agree or disagree.

We need to get better with social media- much better!
As 5 labour groups we need to work together better.
We need much more money to even slightly compete with the Tories in leaflets, social media spends and advertising our offer.
We need a candidate at the start of their public service career not at the end.
We need a vision and stick with it, and stop living in the past.
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The problem with this is none of it is new. You haven't learned this from a disastrous result because people, including myself, have been telling you (Labour councillors) these things for years.

I disagree with the final two points, too. You need an inspiring candidate but they have to be credible - age, in and of itself, shouldn't matter.

The Labour party had a vision. The tinkering with that vision is what confuses people and puts them off. It just looks like you're telling people what you think they want to hear and it gets seen through very quickly.
 
Emmersons_BrazillianDong said:
They don't see it that way. They perceive that he's bringing money to an area that's been ****ed for years. That's why Tories don't get called out on it enough. Because people don't mind the public getting fcuked over if they think they'll benefit.

I don't agree with it, but nobody can be too surprised surely?

I said it the other day. You have to play their game if you want to win. Crying that the game is unfair just leaves you stood there with a flaccid c0ck looking stupid.

I'm sure the labour candidate is a nice fella but it was a terribly uninspiring choice. I think there needed to be much more positivity about the Teessworks site and the possibilities that would be available in the right hands. To be fair, that was the thread that Gibbo had been pressing for the past week or so.

The end result will be that the area will lose out again though, that's for sure. There's no doubt that the area deserves better. Today was a missed opportunity all round.

Disappointing to hear some of the sneering condescending remarks about the area from other people who, like myself, have moved away. Not surprised some of the usernames involved though.
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The Labour candidate certainly didn't inspire.
 
Why is Ben airport pretending he's not a Tory?

If he's not proud of his party or if he wants to be independent, then he should run as an independent. If he's not doing that then one has to question why? I'll tell you why, it's because he's still accepting the Tory nomination, just like he was in the other terms, which got him his job in the first place.

Either Ben needs to start saying he's a Tory, or the Tories should field a Tory candidate and Ben goes independent. Either way won't work out well for the Tories or Ben though.

All Ben and the Tories are doing now is being deceptive, trying to hide what they're actually about.
 
Andy_W said:
Why is Ben airport pretending he's not a Tory?

If he's not proud of his party or if he wants to be independent, then he should run as an independent. If he's not doing that then one has to question why? I'll tell you why, it's because he's still accepting the Tory nomination, just like he was in the other terms, which got him his job in the first place.

Either Ben needs to start saying he's a Tory, or the Tories should field a Tory candidate and Ben goes independent. Either way won't work out well for the Tories or Ben though.

All Ben and the Tories are doing now is being deceptive, trying to hide what they're actually about.
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I love how he "forgot" to wear a blue rosette yesterday
 
Juninhoburger said:
I love how he "forgot" to wear a blue rosette yesterday
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Just another lie from him, says a lot.

He never "forgot" at all, it was probably the most specific thing he did, the least amount of people who associate him with being a Tory, the better it is for him. This is of course as long as he's still getting the Tory nomination and they're not fielding another visible Tory against him.

If I could speak to him I'd ask him:
What you so ashamed of Ben? Happy to take the money and nomination though eh?

I'd also ask the Tories:
I see you're happy you "won" in Teesside and are claiming this as a success, but why is your candidate visibly distancing himself from your party, repeatedly? Do Tories approve of such Insubordination, or is he free to act independently?
If your nomination doesn't want to run as a Tory, then why don't you actually run one who will tow the party line, and get Ben to run as independent?
 
He's not the only one who likes to pretend he's not a Tory either, Street has apparently been using the same tactic in his bid for re-election, even going so far as having green as the predominant colour on his literature.
If they aren't prepared to actually represent the party in a clear and obvious manner then anyone even partially engaged would question why. Sadly, it's the lack of engagement that keeps screwing each and every one of us over, regardless of party affiliation. If the population would just hold their elected leaders to account then said leaders would actually have to deliver results. If a Tory was actually working for the area then I'd happily give them credit for doing so despite being a Labour voter myself, but if not then I'd hope those who voted them in would want someone who would and do something about it.
 
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dooderooni said:
He's not the only one who likes to pretend he's not a Tory either, Streeting has apparently been using the same tactic in his bid for re-election, even going so far as having green as the predominant colour on his literature.
If they aren't prepared to actually represent the party in a clear and obvious manner then anyone even partially engaged would question why. Sadly, it's the lack of engagement that keeps screwing each and every one of us over, regardless of party affiliation. If the population would just hold their elected leaders to account then said leaders would actually have to deliver results. If a Tory was actually working for the area then I'd happily give them credit for doing so despite being a Labour voter myself, but if not then I'd hope those who voted them in would want someone who would and do something about it.
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Hope you mean Street, not Streeting.
 
Loads of Tory MPs don’t state on their social media profiles or leaflets that they are Tory either.

It’s almost like they are ashamed of it or something.
 
Looks like we're the only major area daft enough to buck the trend whilst everywhere else demolishes the Tories.

Even West Midlands looks like going Labour.

Embarassing.
 
TeaCider said:
Looks like we're the only major area daft enough to buck the trend whilst everywhere else demolishes the Tories.

Even West Midlands looks like going Labour.

Embarassing.
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It is. Completely embarrassing. Tees Valley the laughing stock of the country.
 
Street actually lost? Wow.

Ah, Tories have demanded a full recount in Coventry. Although you don't demand a recount unless things haven't gone your way, so that's promising!
 
Labour really need to be careful post GE

If they get in as expected and start restricting funds to the area via the mayor then that plays exactly into Houchens hands.

He turns around and says Labour are screwing the area, that his work is being undone and he can’t progress.

Next election come around and Labour get a kicking from a ***ed off electorate and the cycle starts again
 
Acklam_Lad said:
Labour really need to be careful post GE

If they get in as expected and start restricting funds to the area via the mayor then that plays exactly into Houchens hands.

He turns around and says Labour are screwing the area, that his work is being undone and he can’t progress.

Next election come around and Labour get a kicking from a ***ed off electorate and the cycle starts again
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I can’t see that happening tbh, given that the area is likely to have all Labour MPs.
 
Acklam_Lad said:
Labour really need to be careful post GE

If they get in as expected and start restricting funds to the area via the mayor then that plays exactly into Houchens hands.

He turns around and says Labour are screwing the area, that his work is being undone and he can’t progress.

Next election come around and Labour get a kicking from a ***ed off electorate and the cycle starts again
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Labour aren't petty like the Tories, when cash is awarded it will be awarded on need not on favour. Also Houchen is now stuck with 5 Labour leaders in his cabinet.
 
I sincerely hope you’re right but Labour do have a track record of shooting themselves in the foot as this election has shown
 
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