Anybody still think that we will turn this around?

indeedido said:
Andy man, Sunderland won 3-0 at the same place we lost 1-0 and we were awful there; really bad.
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Our finishing was poor, even for our own players standards, but not sure what else was?

The game wasn't pretty to watch either, but it's never going to be, not for us when teams set up against us like that, when we were away from home,, but it's the championship. It must have looked even worse for them, even though they won, if they were being honest.

What aspects were bad, and compared to what? What could we have expected to do, to be classed as "good", this year, or any other year for that matter?
What did Sunderland do better, so much that they played at the opposite end of the spectrum? We could have won that 3-0, and Sunderland could have lost 1-0, and in that case we would have got more than we deserved, and Sunderland less. If we had won 3-0 for the same chances it wouldn't have meant we played any better, just had a more fortunate outcome, or took our chances better.

Surely the idea of the game is to create more and better chances than the opposition? We did this, which is beyond doubt.
Most teams aim to do that before every game, especially if they're the better side, **** sides try and not let any in, and try and sneak one (which is what Reading did at home). Would we have been better if we sat with 11 men in our half, and 11 in theirs, and still lost 1-0? How were we meant to find extra space when there's about 20 players in their half, the second they lost the ball?

We've created more chances there than anyone else who's played there, and it seems like they sat back deepest against us, so we would have had the hardest task of creating, yet we still did, and did that without giving up many chances.

Why not mention the Sunderland and Swansea games, where we created less, and gave more chances away? Just because we won, does not mean we were better. We were worse, and the opposition did better against us in both of those games, and we were at home.

Don't focus on the results, without looking at what made up the result, it clouds decision-making for some games. Sometimes the best teams don't win, sometimes they even get beat. It's harder to generalise based on the table, especially the longer things go on, but there have been a few games where we would have got more points if we had took our chances, that was one of them, Stoke and Sheff Utd are two others.

I've watched every minute of every game (on ifollow/ Sky whatever), and watched highlights and all the goals over and over again. I wouldn't be commenting with such confidence if I had listened on the radio, or even been at the games, as I can't remember crap after a few pints, and find it hard to see what's going on at the other end of the pitch.
Most of the games, and what I thought those outcomes should have been correlated well with what I've found the xG to be the next day, and then again when I've watched extended highlights again when looking back.

I know it sounds silly that I think we've had an extreme run of bad finishing (considering how many we've scored) and bad luck at the back with long shots, ref decisions, increased mistake frequency etc. From the outside most would probably say I was nuts, and I'd probably call West Brom fans nuts if they said they had been hard done by, but if I looked at it in detail, independently, then I would probably end up with the same conclusion. I look at things objectively when things are appearing well, just as when they're appearing badly, and right now they do appear bad, of course.
 
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Andy_W said:
Don't focus on the results,
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You are living in dreamland.
Andy_W said:
Surely the idea of the game is to create more and better chances than the opposition?
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No, the idea is to win by scoring more goals than your opponent.

The Evening Gazette is a super supportive paper.
This is a direct quote:

The verdict​

Boro's wait for a first win goes on. It's too early to look too closely at the table, but they're second bottom right now and have dropped 12 points of a possible 15 on offer so far. That, rather than the league position, is the most concerning aspect. While we've spoken plenty about the many positives so far that somewhat eased the disappointing feeling of not winning, there was nothing in that to take any positives.

Sunderland scored 3 goals there and conceded 0.
We scored 0 and conceded.
They got what they deserved and so did we.

Coulda, shoulda, didn't.
 
BoroMart said:
Did you go?

We moved the ball slowly yes, we didn't cause them enough problems until the last 20 mins, but when we did we had them on the ropes and should have scored 3. But they literally couldn't lay a glove on us all match.. The tactics nullified because they had 11 behind the ball, and we struggled to break down without a physical presence up top. Last 20, they tired after relentless shadow chasing, and we started to get good balls in. I don't buy the we were awful comments. They got their tactics right and all the breaks, and we didn't do what we had to in their box. Had we got one, we would have got 3 or 4. They were very lucky.
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They scored early and defended. Surely you can see the difference? A team with a win to protect can allow the other team to have the ball. It's a completely different game at a goal down compared to 0-0.

Same as the 3-0 down against Cardiff and QPR. We can't play as well as we did in those games from the start because the other teams aren't sat back trying to protect their 0-0.
 
Nano said:
They scored early and defended. Surely you can see the difference? A team with a win to protect can allow the other team to have the ball. It's a completely different game at a goal down compared to 0-0.

Same as the 3-0 down against Cardiff and QPR. We can't play as well as we did in those games from the start because the other teams aren't sat back trying to protect their 0-0.
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They scored after 28mins, of us pinning them back and them not laying a glove on us
 
I think he needs to freshen it up, for the players but also for the fans. Two up front, maybe luongo and forrs gets a start. Hoppe on the bench.

Some new options as we feel a bit stale already this year.
 
I had a long diatribe in my head, I can’t be arsed to post it, top and bottom of it is that Wilder doesn’t seem capable of mounding the squad into a team that will compete. How would Nathan Jobes get on with our squad or the guy at Huddersfield last season?

I was all for Wilder and still hope he can do the job but constantly doing the same thing, that isn’t working is stupidity. Instead of trying to change 23 men perhaps 1 man changing might improve things.

Who knows? UTB
 
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