Anti lockdown rally

Mountain Climber said:
I stood obediently in a queue outside the chemist last week waiting to pick up my prescription. There was four of us. The chemist only allows one in at a time. We were all aged 50 and over. We all wore masks.

I commented that we had probably all had both vaccinations, we had, and the pubs will soon be heaving with football fans, in close proximity, mask less, many not having been vaccinated.

Can someone please explain to me the logic of this farce because I cannot work it out myself? We all just seem to follow the rules like lemmings.
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I just try to protect myself as best I can. I thought we all did that?

*edit. Well not all, obviously
 
Andy_W said:
Because it's likely no hardship to you (or the business) waiting outside, wearing a mask and massively reducing risk?

Yes, the risk to you four is lower, but each one of you even double jabbed might have a 20% of being able to still transmit the virus (I forgot what the latest estimate is), if you were all infected (unlikely) then it's an 80% chance that the next person in the queue could be near to people shedding virus. That person may not have had any vaccinations. Ramming a pharmacy with the most at-risk people, in a tight space, that is frequented by people who are sick, is just a risk we don't need to take, under any circumstance.

The football/ pub thing is a different argument (and also a different time, at a later date, at the minute they're on set capacity). But, yes, that's people proving a far higher risk, but it's also feeding an industry that cannot survive with people only outside. If you take the risk away in one area, you can sort of allowing more in others.

Don't compare individual circumstances, that's not the aim, it's what is least hardship for all (or most), collectively, stopping the NHS take a beating and what will have the current total of R less than 1. Or as the case now is, not have R so high that it goes through the roof before most are double jabbed.

It all adds up.
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No amount of rationalising will deflect from the fact that the rules are confusing and open to exploitation. While some of us follow the rules others flaunt them. It is because of this that the lockdowns have been extended and may be for longer still. Not sure what you mean by ramming a pharmacy with at risk people when there were 4 of us? all fully vaccinated and all wearing masks. Maybe you didn't read that bit?
 
I think the restrictions and people complaining about them are nothing to do with what you can do. It's probably 2 fold. Firstly they are our human rights living in a free society. Secondly if you arranged, for example a wedding based on the liklihood of the end to social distancing then you may well be scuppered. Add to that the optics for the Johnson weekend bbq and people's worry for their jobs, no excrement to furlough and you have some angry people.

They are probably not all idiots but people who think there is one set of rules for Johnson and another for the rest.

I can understand that frustration even though the restrictions don't effect me.
 
the_smog_chorus said:
There some really gullible people on here, the usual suspects, trying to justify this lockdown extension and criticising people who are against it.
Lots of the USA fully open, full stadiums, normal life (the lockdown lovers can’t explain this) - Christ even NY is open! Aren’t almost 80% of adults in the UK vaccinated?
https://twitter.com/x/status/1404838602509590538
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Yep. Any mention of American states is met with silence or excuses that they don't have this variant or that variant.
 
the_smog_chorus said:
There some really gullible people on here, the usual suspects, trying to justify this lockdown extension and criticising people who are against it.
Lots of the USA fully open, full stadiums, normal life (the lockdown lovers can’t explain this) - Christ even NY is open! Aren’t almost 80% of adults in the UK vaccinated?
https://twitter.com/x/status/1404838602509590538
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Who on here is justifying anything? The thread is about a journalist being chased by some idiots because they didnt like the news being reported
 
There is an anti BBC feeling in the Freedom crowd, because the BBC refuse the report on the large numbers of British people who want to end lock down in June. They complain that the BBC are not reporting the news but filtering the news.
 
SmallTown said:
I don't think we should be relying on Hungary for advice. Also as I mentioned on another thread they are using Sputink, which has proven to be the most effective vaccine. I think
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It does seem to be a very good vaccine. I hope the AZ / Sputnik combination trial went ahead. They have virtually no Delta variant and shutting down / vaccination has brought the primarily Alpha variant down to very low levels.
 
Randy said:
There are more hospitals than people in ICU with covid in this country.
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There was in March 20, and in August 20 too, but there wasn't in April - May 20 or October 20 to March 21.

It's not where we are, it's where we could be heading.

How many times do you need this explaining?
 
Mountain Climber said:
No amount of rationalising will deflect from the fact that the rules are confusing and open to exploitation. While some of us follow the rules others flaunt them. It is because of this that the lockdowns have been extended and may be for longer still. N
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None of those rules should be exploited through misunderstanding, they could only really be exploited intentionally, by the vendors, albeit not for long in public settings.
As for the punters, the rules are only confusing to the easily confused, thankfully most understand the rules.
The logical mathematical reasoning for the rules is more complex, most will get the basics of it, but loads don't and most people have zero idea how to evaluate risk.

Not sure what you mean by ramming a pharmacy with at risk people when there were 4 of us? all fully vaccinated and all wearing masks. Maybe you didn't read that bit?
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I did read it, but you and the three other guys outside don't know how to evaluate risk, it seems. Albeit one may have, and just agreed with you to avoid having to explain the logic, as it is a bit longwinded.

I'll explain here though:

Don't think of it like just you 4, that were outside, your instance isn't every instance, it could have been 10 and they could have been all inside, unvaccinated with your theory, and it could have been like that all day. You have to account for all times and all places, especially in places which would see a lot of people "at increased risk".
A busy pharmacy probably gets >1,000 customers per day. 1000 people inside, looking and queuing, at the same time as say 3-10 others, for 5-20 minutes, or inside, on their own for 1-2 minutes? The time/ exposure risk is probably ~10% by being outside.

The mask/ vaccine is irrelevant, even if this reduces your risk by 80% (example). There's still 20% of "risk" left, and by being indoors you may still have say 100% of that 20% risk, yet by all being outside you're 10% of 20% risk, as your exposure is 10%, so your risk is now 2%, rather than 20%.
If the others were unvaccinated and old, they may be at 90% risk (example), and you seem to want them to stay at 90% and stand inside and queue with you, when they could be at 9% outside, ery easily, with zero hardship.

Or do we need someone stood outside asking everyone for their vaccine status, calculating when they had their second dose, how many are in the shop, what is the estimated time to service, then do a full risk assessment for each patient that enters? No, because that's stupid, just wait outside, it's not an issue.
 
bear66 said:
It does seem to be a very good vaccine. I hope the AZ / Sputnik combination trial went ahead. They have virtually no Delta variant and shutting down / vaccination has brought the primarily Alpha variant down to very low levels.
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Yeah, it's funny how prejudice would never let us have that one. I was talking to my family and they were all "oh no, not the Russian vaccine"
"But, it's the best one"
"Oh no, russians, can't trust them"
"It's the best one, according to the British Medical Journal"
"Something about Stalin"
 
Andy_W said:
There was in March 20, and in August 20 too, but there wasn't in April - May 20 or October 20 to March 21.

It's not where we are, it's where we could be heading.

How many times do you need this explaining?
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Where we could be heading with vaccines? Ok then.
 
I am going to the next march, on June 26th!

I ain't down any conspiracy theory rabbit hole,
just this makes me so angry, once again Boris & the government have put chasing the £££'s ahead of the people & once again they've got it badly wrong, once again we are the ones to suffer, sick to death of that lying usesless corrupt C*NT!🤬🤬🤬

We really need this government OUT!🤬🤬🤬

 
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