Anti lockdown rally

I haven't been following this on the news, is part of the protest to do with the reason behind the continuation of lockdown, rather than the lockdown extension itself? Or is it a bunch of trouble makers just being a nuisance?
 
I stood obediently in a queue outside the chemist last week waiting to pick up my prescription. There was four of us. The chemist only allows one in at a time. We were all aged 50 and over. We all wore masks.

I commented that we had probably all had both vaccinations, we had, and the pubs will soon be heaving with football fans, in close proximity, mask less, many not having been vaccinated.

Can someone please explain to me the logic of this farce because I cannot work it out myself? We all just seem to follow the rules like lemmings.
 
Really struggle to understand the logic around even attending a protest like this. We have been in some form of lockdown for almost 18 months. These restrictions have almost all gone, so on the hottest day of the year thats how you choose to spend your "freedom". Baffling
 
Mountain Climber said:
I stood obediently in a queue outside the chemist last week waiting to pick up my prescription. There was four of us. The chemist only allows one in at a time. We were all aged 50 and over. We all wore masks.

I commented that we had probably all had both vaccinations, we had, and the pubs will soon be heaving with football fans, in close proximity, mask less, many not having been vaccinated.

Can someone please explain to me the logic of this farce because I cannot work it out myself? We all just seem to follow the rules like lemmings.
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Because it's likely no hardship to you (or the business) waiting outside, wearing a mask and massively reducing risk?

Yes, the risk to you four is lower, but each one of you even double jabbed might have a 20% of being able to still transmit the virus (I forgot what the latest estimate is), if you were all infected (unlikely) then it's an 80% chance that the next person in the queue could be near to people shedding virus. That person may not have had any vaccinations. Ramming a pharmacy with the most at-risk people, in a tight space, that is frequented by people who are sick, is just a risk we don't need to take, under any circumstance.

The football/ pub thing is a different argument (and also a different time, at a later date, at the minute they're on set capacity). But, yes, that's people proving a far higher risk, but it's also feeding an industry that cannot survive with people only outside. If you take the risk away in one area, you can sort of allowing more in others.

Don't compare individual circumstances, that's not the aim, it's what is least hardship for all (or most), collectively, stopping the NHS take a beating and what will have the current total of R less than 1. Or as the case now is, not have R so high that it goes through the roof before most are double jabbed.

It all adds up.
 
I don't defend extreme actions like chasing journalists and shooting shop assistants. I am not an anti Vacci, but would like to be able to attend a sporting event/arts event that is more than 25% full. Walk up to bar in a pub and order a drink at the bar. Go into a supermarket without wearing a mask all the time.

Around 200,000 attended the last Freedom March (June 5th?) from Trafalgar Square to Shepherds Bush. It was not reported on the BBC, despite thousands outside the front door of the BBC. Some media reported it as hundreds protesting. There is obviously a deliberate down playing of these marches.

We are getting very close to the point where people should have choice - The NHS is not over run with Covid or any where close to it, but currently has the longest queues in its history and they are growing for non covid. Nearly all adults in the UK have had a chance of a vaccine to protect themselves or very soon will have. (around 85% have anti bodies)

Look at sport events - in the USA there have been events over a month ago with full houses and hundreds did not die, its not 2020 when the virus could quickly affect people. The vaccine is in general working in the UK, why bother with it. if it is not?
 
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I have been quite keen to end lockdowns in the past but what we have now really doesn’t feel like a lockdown, not worth protesting over unless it affects your livelihood. I’m sure some of these people are in that position but plenty of them won’t be.
 
I feel it's only going to get worse as the weather continues to be nice.

There are idiots there and there will be desperate people there too.
 
Redwurzel said:
I don't defend extreme actions like chasing journalists and shooting shop assistants. I am not an anti Vacci, but would like to be able to attend a sporting event/arts event that is more than 25% full. Walk up to bar in a pub and order a drink at the bar. Go into a supermarket without wearing a mask all the time.

Around 200,000 attended the last Freedom March (June 5th?) from Trafalgar Square to Shepherds Bush. It was not reported on the BBC, despite thousands outside the front door of the BBC. Some media reported it as hundreds protesting. There is obviously a deliberate down playing of these marches.

We are getting very close to the point where people should have choice - The NHS is not over run with Covid or any where close to it, but currently has the longest queues in its history and they are growing for non covid. Nearly all adults in the UK have had a chance of a vaccine to protect themselves or very soon will have. (around 85% have anti bodies)

Look at sport events - in the USA there have been events over a month ago with full houses and hundreds did not die, its not 2020 when the virus could quickly affect people. The vaccine is in general working in the UK, why bother with it. if it is not?
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What does it matter to you to want to walk up to a bar, or not wear a mask, for another month? It's not exactly difficult? I prefer the table service, it's like it's bit more European.

They won't report it as they don't want to glorify it, as it might get more pi$$ed up morons doing the same. The people are not "locked down", and they're more "free" than 80% of the world.

People do have a choice, nobody is stopping anyone from doing 95% of the things they normally do, they have 95% of what they want.
75% support extending the measures, and that's a from only from about 5% understanding the maths behind it, or who are clued up enough to understand it. It's not where we are now, that line of thinking does not work in a pandemic, we keep proving this, it's where we could be heading with reaosnable probability.
Even a minor grasp of the modelling, exponential increases, vaccine nunbers, age of cases, log scales etc gives enough knowledge to easily see why this 4 week extension makes sense. 95% of the modellers who wanted this extension are saying it makes more sense to carry this on now, and even reduce restrictions in 4 weeks when we will have more cases. It makes sense as then we will be on top of the exit wave, R will be down and the vacines and double vax will tkae care of the rest.

Hospital waiting lists were the worst they had ever been before the pandemic, and growing, thank the Tories for that, and adding more covid would only make them longer. They're also waiting lists for "non-emergency" care, but covid people going to hospitals are actual emergencies, especially the ones needing ICU.


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We basically need to wait till all have been offered it, taken it up and then most of them will ahve had 2 weeks to build up immunity, all the while AZ second doses will massively increase the older lots protection. 85% @ 60% isn't as good as 95% @ 80% etc.

USA doesn't have much of delta, we would be easily over this had we just had alpha. They do have delta increasing though, but they're about a month behind us on that and will likely ahve enough Vax before it becomes a problem, plus the place is massive and restrictions work better.

Basically we pi$$sed up our vaccine advantage, by letting in Delta (thanks BJ), and we let it in so bad that we're now behind again, you can't make it up.
 
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