Anthony Joshua Agrees Terms to Fight Tyson Fury on December 3rd (or not)

[ForssAwakens]

Fury v Whyte

Who you picking? Fury seems to be overwhelmingly favourite but you can't rule out Whyte so easily. Hard to believe this could be Furys last fight as well.

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People dismantling fury fight now with hindsight compared to before the fight

 

[BoroMart]

I'm not even acknowledging this. There are clearly two sides to this, and no one really knows the details. It's a waste of energy even arguing about it.

Absolutely, people use prejudices to fill in the gaps int heir knowledge. I'm on the fence. What I do know is that boxers and promoters are very often full of absolute **** about who ducked who and who offered what terms. It's PR hype to build a brand.

My point has always been in this thread that Fury pads his CV with poor fighters and does not defend the belts against worthy opponents.

Absolutely agree, as I said, 2 defences in 4 years as a champ, Wilder and Whyte who are top 10, but they neither has an elite boxer record.

 

[Jedi boro]

Who’s AJ losing to in Saudi Arabia next then ???

 

[BoroMart]

Lots on here were saying Fury would have his hands full with Dillan Whyte. Or is Whyte now a "poor fighter" ?

He's top 10, lacks some years of experience, and isn't quite ever going to be elite. He could have given a better showing of himself, but maybe just a bit too small for the very top

 

[B_G]

Who’s AJ losing to in Saudi Arabia next then ???

A higher ranked fighter than Derek Chisora

 

[BoroMart]

Ruiz would be utterly pointless. Look at what Joshua did to him in the rematch. Fury could probably sleep walk through that fight.

maybe, but there's only one way to find out....

 

[Alzi]

He's top 10, lacks some years of experience, and isn't quite ever going to be elite. He could have given a better showing of himself, but maybe just a bit too small for the very top

I rate Whyte more than the likes of Ruiz personally, but that'd be quite a good matchup.

 

[Marvanelli]

TBF. Even if Fury announced he's fighting Ruiz in the winter, you'd still get the usual haters damning the opponent and slating Fury again.

Bloke can't win.

Usyk won't fight him in the winter. Fury has offered AJ incredible terms (a contract AJ clearly doesn't deserve based on his last few fights) and AJ has clearly dodged him.

Anyone else Fury lines up now will be just criticised.

 

[Jedi boro]

Bloke can't win.

No that’s AJ mate

As Tyson has no trouble winning

 

[B_G]

TBF. Even if Fury announced he's fighting Ruiz in the winter, you'd still get the usual haters damning the opponent and slating Fury again.

Bloke can't win.

Usyk won't fight him in the winter. Fury has offered AJ incredible terms (a contract AJ clearly doesn't deserve based on his last few fights) and AJ has clearly dodged him.

Anyone else Fury lines up now will be just criticised.

I would not have a problem with him fighting Ruiz at all.

As for being a "Fury Hater" I'm far from it. I could search back through threads on this board and you'd struggle to find a negative comment I've made about him prior to this thread and I'd find an abundance of positive ones. I was one of his biggest fans. Thought the wilder fights were quality. The tune up fights were excusable then although a bit annoying that I was paying £25 on PPV for him to fight bin men.

I'm just sick of his bullzhit now. He p!ssed me off with the fake retirement. If he wants to keep the belt then act like a champion and fight the best people. Stay active. He is spoiling the division. I'm sick of the social media posts saying he's the best of the generation but refusing to fight top fighters. Its boring. He's wasting his prime years.

If he gets in with Usyk in the spring, I'll eat my words. I'll be stunned if he does.

 

[BoroMart]

I'm just sick of his bullzhit now. He p!ssed me off with the fake retirement.

exactly this, he's an incredible boxer, I bought and read his book and enjoy his fights, but he is full of wind and nonsense. That's a balanced view, not fanboy or hater.

 

[Alzi]

It does sound like shifting goalposts a bit re Fury though.

A while ago on here people were calling him out for not fighting the likes of Pulev and Parker! Now suddenly Ruiz is the credible opponent he should be fighting. His schooling of Whyte is glossed over too.

Joyce and Usyk are the only fights I'd be remotely interested in for Fury.

 

[ForssAwakens]

All boxers are bull****, including Joshua public image

 

[BoroMart]

A while ago on here people were calling him out for not fighting the likes of Pulev and Parker! Now suddenly Ruiz is the credible opponent he should be fighting. His schooling of Whyte is glossed over too.

Joyce and Usyk are the only fights I'd be remotely interested in for Fury.

I don't think people are saying it's THE credible opponent, more that it's far more credible than an old man that he's already beaten twice isn't in the top 10, and has lost 6 out of his last 13 fights. It's the fight no one asked for

 

[B_G]

It does sound like shifting goalposts a bit re Fury though.

A while ago on here people were calling him out for not fighting the likes of Pulev and Parker! Now suddenly Ruiz is the credible opponent he should be fighting. His schooling of Whyte is glossed over too.

Joyce and Usyk are the only fights I'd be remotely interested in for Fury.

Pulev and Parker were top 5 fighters at the time.
Now Ruiz is a top 5 fighter now.

It's pretty consistent. He's getting called out for not fighting the top fighters at that moment and just not being active enough in general. While repeatedly calling himself the best of the era and lineal champ.

There's definitely a shift in support though but I think people are just getting bored and fed up of it. Patience has worn thin. He's 32 or 33 now, he should be taking these fights while he's in his prime.

Compare him to Usyk. Usyk beat everyone worth fighting at cruiserweight. He's stepped up, had two fights to help transition into the division then stepped straight in with AJ who held 3 of the belts. Beat him and agreed terms for the rematch within weeks. Beat him again. That's a proper champion.

Look at Canelo. Literally moving up and down divisions to get the best fighters in front of him. Previously at heavyweight, Lewis fought everyone who was out there. Fury is just embarrassing now.

 

[MolteniArcore]

Chizora is an 'easy' fight to stay active. He wanted to fight Usyk but he said he's not fighting until next year. AJ ducked it so he's keeping active until he fights Usyk in March.

I don't think anyone is claiming that this will be a great fight or much of a challenge. It is what it is. An easy fight so he doesn't get rusty.

I do hope once he has despatched Usyk in March that people calm down a bit with regards to his record. You can only fight people if they want to fight - AJ ducking Fury shows that in spades.

 

[B_G]

Chizora is an 'easy' fight to stay active. He wanted to fight Usyk but he said he's not fighting until next year. AJ ducked it so he's keeping active until he fights Usyk in March.

I don't think anyone is claiming that this will be a great fight or much of a challenge. It is what it is. An easy fight so he doesn't get rusty.

He's a world champion. He shouldn't be taking easy fights to stay active. He should be defending his title against top 5 fighters. What excuse does Fury really have. He hasn't been active for 6 months because he told everyone he retired. He has no excuse to get rusty. Are you really telling me that no other top fighters would want the fight?

I understand somebody like Joyce taking an easy fight to stay active when they've worked their way up to a mandatory position. If the title fight isn't there, then take an easy fight to stay active and don't lose your mandatory status. That's sensible.

Or AJ, coming off the back of two losses against the best P4P fighter in the world. He's not holding any belts, it would be sensible for him to take at least one easier fight. I would have loved to see the Fury v AJ fight but in reality it's not the best time to take it. Maybe he's taken some advice and that's why the fight isn't happening, or it could be something entirely different, who knows?

Usyk didn't want it because he's just come off the back off 2 x World title fights with gruelling camps. Its sensible. He wants the fight early next year. He won't fight a tomato can in between. I guarantee you that. He's a proper pro. A proper champ. If the Fury fight isn't there, he'll fight another tough opponent.

I do hope once he has despatched Usyk in March that people calm down a bit with regards to his record. You can only fight people if they want to fight - AJ ducking Fury shows that in spades.

They will, IF the fight happens. And IF Fury wins it. It's a 50/50 fight in my opinion.

 

[MolteniArcore]

Usyk didn't want it because he's just come off the back off 2 x World title fights with gruelling camps. Its sensible. He wants the fight early next year. He won't fight a tomato can in between. I guarantee you that. He's a proper pro. A proper champ. If the Fury fight isn't there, he'll fight another tough opponent.

They will, IF the fight happens. And IF Fury wins it. It's a 50/50 fight in my opinion.

Sounds like you just don't like Fury.

 

[B_G]

Sounds like you just don't like Fury.

Not these days. Sick of him.

 

[Doom_On_Horseback]

Trying to make some sort of justification for a decision to fight Chisora.

It didn’t seem long ago to me that it was an incredibly difficult balancing act trying to keep hold of all the belts due to different organisations demanding you fought x y z to keep your title. We’re only talking about the WBC here, which incidentally is the only one Chisora is recognised within the top 15, therefore he is recognised as a viable opponent for that organisation.

Of course it seems like an easy ride, the alternatives aren’t great. Some unknown to the wider public and would be difficult to promote, despite being unbeaten. Sanchez, Makhmudov, Kossobutskiy & Hrgovic. They also bring an element of risk. Also, Wilder and Ruiz are ranked 1 & 2. If their proposed fight goes ahead, it’s likely that the winner would be mandatory challenger.

Imagine Chisora this winter and then being ordered to fight Wilder next summer

Much more likely IMO than crossing organisations and unifying titles.Even with the lesser title holders such as Helenius, Joyce and Dubois.
That is of course if Fury has the appetite to remain WBC champion.

Again, not justifying the fight but just trying to give myself some context more than anything.