All the Tories out this morning

Juan-sheet said:
Were you equally outraged when the tories & the media made up lies about Corbyn not bowing at the correct angle or allegedly dancing a jig. Did you call out the BBC for doctoring footage of Boris getting it completely wrong & mistakenly (cough cough) footage from 2016 in its place?

Or was that the right sort of agenda?



Short memories I think
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I think just a bit more respect for the fallen would have been better. Its done now, let's move on
 
Prycey said:
I think just a bit more respect for the fallen would have been better. Its done now, let's move on
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Because we remembered the fallen and those serving doesnt preclude us from raising poignant issues which continue to effect all of our lives.
Is no disrespect, for instance, to point out that 179 Armed Forces personnel were killed in the Iraq war - many returned with long term mental health issues and others with physical health issues. Some have committed suicide as a result of exposure to combat and the results of war.
We shouldnt forget - but we should question why they died and in whose interests?
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Sent to their deaths on a pack of lies by a man who deserves to be jailed for war crimes.
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r00fie1 said:
Because we remembered the fallen and those serving doesnt preclude us from raising poignant issues which continue to effect all of our lives.
Is no disrespect, for instance, to point out that 179 Armed Forces personnel were killed in the Iraq war - many returned with long term mental health issues and others with physical health issues. Some have committed suicide as a result of exposure to combat and the results of war.
We shouldnt forget - but we should question why they died and in whose interests?
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Sent to their deaths on a pack of lies by a man who deserves to be jailed for war crimes.
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Do you think Blair thought he was doing the wrong thing, Roofie?
 
HundredRoom said:
I do realise that through your warped reasoning that it was all the tories doing wasn't it ?

Nothing to do with Blair and the Labour party at all was it ?
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Wow, your head's gone. Where did I say it had nothing to do with Blair?

Had the Tories been a party that didn't want a war they could have stopped it. They didn't.
 
r00fie1 said:
Because we remembered the fallen and those serving doesnt preclude us from raising poignant issues which continue to effect all of our lives.
Is no disrespect, for instance, to point out that 179 Armed Forces personnel were killed in the Iraq war - many returned with long term mental health issues and others with physical health issues. Some have committed suicide as a result of exposure to combat and the results of war.
We shouldnt forget - but we should question why they died and in whose interests?
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Sent to their deaths on a pack of lies by a man who deserves to be jailed for war crimes.
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Totally agree with you mate but what Harry said was that, he was banging the political drum and using remembrance day to do it, shameful.
 
Michael Foot 1981, anyone? - Remembrance Sunday absolutely was used for political purposes that year.

Throughout the 1920s and 1930s the character of the remembrance events became politicised. While for some, Armistice Day was a day for recognising the horrors of war, never to be repeated; for others the day symbolised the honour of military service.



Its only been the second Sunday in November since 1946, When the Labour Prime Minister Clem Attlee , announced in Parliament ""the Government felt that this view would commend itself to all quarters of the country. I am glad to say that it has now found general acceptance here and has been approved by The King"

Other dates were punted, however the Archbishop of Westminster, coined the 'Remembrance Sunday' & the date of the 2nd Sunday in Nov.

we all honour our dead, in our own ways and minds thoughts.

i wear a poppy, but its not obligatory and i dont want it to be, the option is one of our freedoms.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Wow, your head's gone. Where did I say it had nothing to do with Blair?

Had the Tories been a party that didn't want a war they could have stopped it. They didn't.
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On the back of falsified claims. If the tories falsified docs and labour MPs subsequently voted for the bill i doubt you’d be be blaming the Labour MPs like you are here with the tories. Responsibility lies with governing party in this instance
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Wow, your head's gone. Where did I say it had nothing to do with Blair?

Had the Tories been a party that didn't want a war they could have stopped it. They didn't.
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and where did I say .....


Can you just imagine the flow of posts on here if it had been a Tory government responsible for Irag - oh my it would have been in torrents
 
Lefty said:
Do you think Blair thought he was doing the wrong thing, Roofie?
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The agenda for war in Iraq wasnt an individual decision.
The Americans long had a plan to take hold of Iraq oil and also saw it as a vulnerable to outside influences, which would effect USA control in the Middle East. Blair was a key ally in the war agenda and took the decision to follow that agenda.
He knew he was lying to the British people and Parliament - he knew it.
He wasnt the only one.
All those who voted to invade a sovereign state were complicit in murder.
 
Mmmmm - sadly everything is now politicised- everyone looks for an angle irrespective of the basis and intent of an event, even honouring our dead. It isn’t new, the press have crucified both political sides alleged behaviour on occasions like this and others where it was completely distasteful to do so. Nobody right or wrong here, just another example and sad inditement on how far the morals of the country have fallen.
 
There's a very good Podcast presented by David Dimbleby called The Fault Line: Bush, Blair and Iraq which sheds a lot of light on the causation of the second Iraq conflict, the intelligence that was ignored and how legislation changed under Clinton was pursued under Bush.

The thing I took out of the program was that regardless of UK policy the US were hell bent on going to war and were consigned to kill millions in that action, we certainly should not have followed Bush into the conflict and tried to legitimise it with contradictory intelligence.

Blair's legacy will forever be Iraq, and the grave and bloody error to follow US policy on regime change in Baghdad. As someone who is left leaning I can't offer any defence of that decision and it goes against every fundament of my beliefs, I understand the reasoning and want to remove Hussain and as the situation in Syria shows indirect intervention to encourage a coup doesn't work either, I didn't vote Labour in the two General Elections proceeding Iraq and if a Labour PM took the same actions again as Blair I'd find it difficult to vote for them again.
 
Go on . You are saying all Tory voters want children not to be fed properly.

The problem you have is that you have to confirm your left credentials by saying anything not to your doctrine is wrong, a childish position at best.

I will give an example you think tax rates should be increased on the rich , even though all imperial evidence is that it reduces the tax take. You want it out of spite. Tell me how increasing tax will get any more out of Lewis Hamilton , Branson , the owner of Inios, all the others who moved abroad?

Blair had the greatest % of tax take in value terms and you are silly enough to think Corbyn is of the left of him .
 
Same_as_before said:
You are saying all Tory voters want children not to be fed properly.
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No I didn't

I said they are COMPLICIT. Complicity is the act of helping or encouraging another individual to commit a crime, or in a non-legal application, do something that is morally wrong. Voting Tory at the last election required you to at least ignore the damage being deliberately done to social services and the poor. Universal credit, they all have 60 inch tellies and the latest phones, etc. which lie do you assuage your guilt with?

Then you go on about tax. Classic "whataboutery".
 
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