All the Tories out this morning

Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
It was a decision voted on in parliament, pushed through with Tory support despite a large anti war vote by Labour MPs

Look it up, learn a little.
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Thats strange because I had the impression it was a little get together with Bush that sealed their fate. And then went to war on a pack of lies called a dossier. All fabricated. Or do lies not apply when it comes to Labour.

Look it up learn a lot
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
There's still kids going hungry on Remembrance Day and a good chance that you're one of those who voted for it.
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Just like every remembrance day for decades Labaour and Tory.

You see you make the inference that any person who voted Tory is responsible for kids going hungry. Ludicrous.
 
HundredRoom said:
Especially the warmonger in chief responsible for over a million deaths all by himself
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that's not quite the truth though is it, he didn't shoot or bomb a million people 'himself' at all, and the deaths in the middle east that are attributed to Blair are not offset by the lives saved by not having Saddam killing hi own people, invading neighbouring territories and trying to start a war with Israel and Iran.
 
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HundredRoom said:
And Labour voters are complicit in the murder of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis
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surely that is on Saddam, I mean he was the one blocking UN weapons inspectors and failing to comply with the terms of his previous surrender. Of course that surrender was after he invaded a sovereign country and killed people, then set oil fields on fire out of spite, harming the planet. You are showing a bias, extremist, and unbalanced view of the whole Iraq thing. Yes, Blair has his blame to burden, but so do the MPs that voted for invasion, including the vast majority of the Tories at the time, I guess by your rationale everyone that voted Labour and everyone that voted Tory at that time had blood on their hands, in fact pretty much everyone that didn't abstain. Try being a little more balanced, taking in ALL the facts and evidence rather than the ones that suit your prejudices and you might be taken a little more seriously.
 
BoroMart said:
surely that is on Saddam, I mean he was the one blocking UN weapons inspectors and failing to comply with the terms of his previous surrender. Of course that surrender was after he invaded a sovereign country and killed people, then set oil fields on fire out of spite, harming the planet. You are showing a bias, extremist, and unbalanced view of the whole Iraq thing. Yes, Blair has his blame to burden, but so do the MPs that voted for invasion, including the vast majority of the Tories at the time, I guess by your rationale everyone that voted Labour and everyone that voted Tory at that time had blood on their hands, in fact pretty much everyone that didn't abstain. Try being a little more balanced, taking in ALL the facts and evidence rather than the ones that suit your prejudices and you might be taken a little more seriously.
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Well yes. I chose to take a ludicrous point of view after the an even more ludicrous view that tory voters were complicit in kids starving.

Follow the thread not just the bites that you choose to be offended by.
 
Of course it was "to do with Blair" and "to do with the Labour Party" it is however history. Kids being made/allowed to go hungry is happening now.

At the time of the Iraq War I wrote to my MP and protested against our involvement. What have you done to try to encourage the people YOU voted for to do the right thing?
 
HundredRoom said:
Well yes. I chose to take a ludicrous point of view after the an even more ludicrous view that tory voters were complicit in kids starving.

Follow the thread not just the bites that you choose to be offended by.
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The difference is, Tony Blair didn't fight a single election with a manifesto based on going to war. This Tory government have repeatedly put manifestos forward that are based around removing social protections for the poorest in society. So, yes, it's a fair point that Tory voters are complicit in the hardships faced by our poorest and most vulnerable members of society. It's not even a subtle difference between the Labour/Blair and Tory/Cameron/May/Johnson manifestos in relation to the points at hand.

There, I've followed the thread
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Wouldn't have happened without the Tory vote, you still don't realise that though?
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Do you think a vote would have passed had the government at the time been honest with the motivations for Iraq intervention? Read the findings of Chilcot, it's pretty damning of the government.
 
I left the Labour Party because of that war and didn't rejoin until well after Blair had gone. That war was wrong. Very wrong. I opposed it at the time and would do so again. Good enough?

To the business at hand. We have a government who actively demonise people who come here from other countries, who created a 'hostile environment' and who illegally deported people who were welcomed here on the Windrush. You choose to support that, it's your choice. I don't, and reserve the option to call them out on their rank hypocrisy, Remembrance Sunday or not. If you don't like it or are offended, block away. I always thought it was us 'loony lefties' who were the snowflakes?
 
HarryVegas said:
I left the Labour Party because of that war and didn't rejoin until well after Blair had gone. That war was wrong. Very wrong. I opposed it at the time and would do so again. Good enough?

To the business at hand. We have a government who actively demonise people who come here from other countries, who created a 'hostile environment' and who illegally deported people who were welcomed here on the Windrush. You choose to support that, it's your choice. I don't, and reserve the option to call them out on their rank hypocrisy, Remembrance Sunday or not. If you don't like it or are offended, block away. I always thought it was us 'loony lefties' who were the snowflakes?
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The point was you used remembrance Sunday to push your agenda, it leaves a bad taste.
 
I get you are probably a decent guy and your morals are in the right place but from your OP that was agenda, to use a day like yesterday was just wrong
 
Pretty low this thread. Remembrance Sunday and the ethos around it is something everyone is brought up to respect, from infant school buying your poppy from the sellers to minutes silence is assembly and onwards. To try to turn into political point scoring and stating certain political persuasions aren’t welcome to remember the fallen isn’t what fallen fell for. It seems strange that when at a time posters celebrate a message of hope and unity across the pond with president elect Biden that some then dont practice that message at home and simply want to divide. Maybe the irony of it all is lost on some 🤷‍♂️
 
Prycey said:
The point was you used remembrance Sunday to push your agenda, it leaves a bad taste.
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Were you equally outraged when the tories & the media made up lies about Corbyn not bowing at the correct angle or allegedly dancing a jig. Did you call out the BBC for doctoring footage of Boris getting it completely wrong & mistakenly (cough cough) footage from 2016 in its place?

Or was that the right sort of agenda?

Cooper671 said:
Pretty low this thread. Remembrance Sunday and the ethos around it is something everyone is brought up to respect, from infant school buying your poppy from the sellers to minutes silence is assembly and onwards. To try to turn into political point scoring and stating certain political persuasions aren’t welcome to remember the fallen isn’t what fallen fell for. It seems strange that when at a time posters celebrate a message of hope and unity across the pond with president elect Biden that some then dont practice that message at home and simply want to divide. Maybe the irony of it all is lost on some 🤷‍♂️
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Short memories I think
 
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