4 more years of Trump

A lot of people on this board seem certain Trump has won. Yet everything else im reading the feeling seems to be its very much in the balance. What am I missing?

Or is it just the usual habit some people have of putting their opinions across as "facts" or portraying themselves as experts when they're not?

If it was so cut and dried Trump wouldn't be having his little tantrum about postal votes surely?

I'm pretty pessimistic, been scarred by previous recent elections so my gut says Trump. But the real experts seem to be saying, on average, too close to call.
 
festa5 said:
A lot of people on this board seem certain Trump has won. Yet everything else im reading the feeling seems to be its very much in the balance. What am I missing?

Or is it just the usual habit some people have of putting their opinions across as "facts" or portraying themselves as experts when they're not?

If it was so cut and dried Trump wouldn't be having his little tantrum about postal votes surely?

I'm pretty pessimistic, been scarred by previous recent elections so my gut says Trump. But the real experts seem to be saying, on average, too close to call.
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Trump is probably going to win Pennsylvania - that's a pretty big step towards the White House as was winning Florida and Texas
 
I notice how some of the usual suspects are conspicuous by their absence today... probably still shouting in their echo chambers.
 
From what I've seen this morning it looks like if all the votes are counted a very narrow Biden win is predicted, now the key thing is will all votes be counted or will the supreme Court move to block this, potentially kicking off civil war?
 
Chris_Boro said:
If that was the case, then Trump would not be throwing a hissy fit over it.
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I think that was more to 'save face' - in case he lost heavily

He's currently 'on course to win'

Pennsylvania - 20 Electoral Votes
Michigan - 16 Votes
Georgia - 16 Votes
North Carolina - 15 Votes

That's 67 Electoral Votes

He's currently on 213 .... so 213 + 67 = 280

Obviously things may change - but at the moment that's the state of play
 
Biden moving ahead in Wisconsin now, might be because of the votes being counted now from more urban areas.

Hopefully can be repeated in PA and Michigan too.
 
all down to early and absentee votes
nationwide they favour Biden 86 to 32
PA for example, had 1m more Democratic early votes than Trump

it's ridiculous that it's this close.
 
Juninho10 said:
I think that was more to 'save face' - in case he lost heavily

He's currently 'on course to win'

Pennsylvania - 20 Electoral Votes
Michigan - 16 Votes
Georgia - 16 Votes
North Carolina - 15 Votes

That's 67 Electoral Votes

He's currently on 213 .... so 213 + 67 = 280

Obviously things may change - but at the moment that's the state of play
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He's not on course to win 3 of 4 you mentioned, NC is most likely, however the remaining ballot are mail in and heavily favour Biden. Its just too close to call either way.
 
WeeGord said:
Biden moving ahead in Wisconsin now, might be because of the votes being counted now from more urban areas.

Hopefully can be repeated in PA and Michigan too.
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I think Trump is too far ahead in PA - He's around 2.9m votes and Biden is 2.2m
 
Looks like a Biden win is incoming, which is ultimately the better outcome, but I can't help but think I'll miss having a bigger ***show to make me feel better about our own shambles.
 
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