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I can’t understand why we signed Clarke. He is not, and never will be, an overlapping left sided centre back (whatever one of those even is?). I’m sure playing in a back 4, alongside Lenihan or Fry, he’d be absolutely great for us, but we are asking him to do something he clearly isn’t up to. We need to abolish this system and those dreadful tactics because it doesn’t work, and hasn’t worked for the last 20 odd games.
 
uncle_rico said:
I can’t understand why we signed Clarke. He is not, and never will be, an overlapping left sided centre back (whatever one of those even is?). I’m sure playing in a back 4, alongside Lenihan or Fry, he’d be absolutely great for us, but we are asking him to do something he clearly isn’t up to. We need to abolish this system and those dreadful tactics because it doesn’t work, and hasn’t worked for the last 20 odd games.
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Completely agree on this.
 
uncle_rico said:
I can’t understand why we signed Clarke. He is not, and never will be, an overlapping left sided centre back (whatever one of those even is?). I’m sure playing in a back 4, alongside Lenihan or Fry, he’d be absolutely great for us, but we are asking him to do something he clearly isn’t up to. We need to abolish this system and those dreadful tactics because it doesn’t work, and hasn’t worked for the last 20 odd games.
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Yup, we haven’t recruited for the system. Has a prem club got their eyes on wilder? I can imagine Gibbo wanting compo then bringing in someone like.. Dyche
 
5 wins in 7 needed
4 wins in 7 required
3 wins and 2 draws, 2 loses minimum 21*

*then we’d need to win the next 3 games
 
Not sure a change in system would make much difference in an attacking sense to be honest. Unless its going to magically makes players put away easy chances.

Might make us better defensively, but that wasn't the issue last night.

Against a team that are very negative, physical and hard to score against we had what? 3/4 gilt edged chances and missed them all. You can pretty much guarantee if Rotherham had any of those chances they'd have buried them.

There is something about dominating possession when you're in a rut though. If confidence is low it's much harder to play well when you have most of the ball. You need to brave in possession, your touch has be good and you need to make lots of good decisions constantly. Much easier to let the opposition have the ball and look to counter. Which is why your great relegation firefighters like Allardyce and Warnock all use similar tactics.

It's why Mowbray couldn't stop the rot. It's worrying because there are a lot of similarities. Under Mowbray we lost so many matches where we dominated possession and chances but lost to a sucker punch.

Mowbrays tactics weren't terrible. The players hadn't stopped playing for him. But mentally they were in a rut they couldn't get out of. Sometimes a manager needs to make it easier for them by making the system a bit easier. "Back to basics" as they say.

I think most of the problems are psychological at the minute. Be good for someone to ask Wilder about that at the next presser. How is he tacking that?
 
Subbuteo_171 said:
System not working, so either the manager changes his system or the manager needs to leave.

it is so obvious, the players do not fit the system the manager wants to play and the manager is too stubborn to change it. issues -
no mobility in midfield so you cannot play a 3 consisting of any of the choices
a lack of pace across the back line meaning players become exposed
both those factors contribute to Jones and Giles being easily nullified
lack of mobility and pace mean teams can stretch and break against us easily

Wilder needs to swallow his pride and his over inflated opinion of himself (XG for and against, runs into the box utterly irrelevant when you’ve got relegation form over an 18 game stretch covering the end of 1 and beginning of another seasons) then use a formation that suits the players at his disposal.

Not good enough with the players at his disposal. The table does not lie, 10 games in and in the relegation zone.
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If you watch his Friday Media Conference you will hear exactly what you`ve just claimed he needs to do:


And if you care to read this transcript, you will see that Chris Wilder agrees with you(!):
BEYOND OUR WILDEREST DREAMS

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"When it gets tough - we dig in..."
" Its easy to Manage when the team is winning"

Chris wilder went into detail in his Friday Media conference about the process of analysis and reflection, over the start of the season and particularly the defeat against Cardiff. He`s been in this situation before, but that doesnt make it any less painful for the club, the fans and the Management team. Asked for his response as to "why" we are in the current situation, Chris took time to explain what questions the Management Team have asked of themselves this week - and analysed in detail where are they going wrong(?).
These key areas include:

* What skills do the players and the Management Team have to improve the team and performances?
* Is the formation a problem?
* Is the Team Selection the problem?
* What do we need to do to tweak training, approach, coaching and Management?
* Is the system effecting results?
* Are we too open?
* What does video and stats analysis tell us about individual players and identifying individual mistakes?

Its clearly a far more complicated approach than giving someone a rollocking and expecting them to perform. Chris was under no illusion that the task to resolve the issues isnt easy, but he works better under pressure.

As he explained: "Its easy to Manage when the Team is winning". Its when they are not playing well, that everyone has to reflect and step up to the challenge...."maybe [we have to] sacrifice part of our game to reset and go again(?)".

Its not a question of players "attitude" - "they wouldnt be playing for me if their attitude was poor".

"I will take players out of the team if necessary".

So its clear...."when it gets tough - we dig in..."!

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Anyone recognise this lad? Scoring against us in January 2021!!!!
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We’re at the stage where the gazette journos have half a dozen articles written, ready to go about how dreadful the summer recruitment has been and how this has been obvious for a while, but they aren’t allowed to print the truth until he’s sacked. How it always works.
 
uncle_rico said:
I can’t understand why we signed Clarke. He is not, and never will be, an overlapping left sided centre back (whatever one of those even is?). I’m sure playing in a back 4, alongside Lenihan or Fry, he’d be absolutely great for us, but we are asking him to do something he clearly isn’t up to. We need to abolish this system and those dreadful tactics because it doesn’t work, and hasn’t worked for the last 20 odd games.
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Because he’s a left footed centre back and the missing piece of the jigsaw. He is. I swear he is.

Is he?
 
newyddion said:
He was a basket case by the time he’d left us!
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Still a good manager though. I don’t mind a basket case as long as they’re producing results. We could use a spell as a side like a Norwich bouncing between the two leagues and not spending beyond our means.

I’m sure I read somewhere that in the championship his win percentage was like 70%
 
Nowt wrong with 3 at the back if the 3 at the back are there to defend. One sitting midfielder in front of them at home, two in front away against the stronger side. Wing backs and non-sitting midfielders do the creating for 2 up top. Forget the overlap/underlap CB plan, we clearly can’t do it. (Plus I think it has been worked out and nullified by managers around the country now so isn’t as effective as when it was relatively novel tactics-wise).
 
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Aitor would revert to 4-5-1, pick up loads of clean sheets, score no first half goals and nab a load of scruffy 1-0 wins with 80th minute goals followed by 10 minutes of nail-biting panic pinball on the edge of our own area. Spectacular - certainly not, but we would not be bottom 3, and he would probably have us finish just outside a play off spot.
Oh and he would have that right cob on over recruitment in Jan. He would want to bring in more defenders, including a fullback who couldn't take a throw in to save his skin.
 
Scrug said:
But ultimately, get us promoted.

Best manager we’ve had at the Boro for me. Had we not fired him, I’d have backed him to take us back up.
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Completely agree. You could even make the argument that as he was sacked the very first time that season we went into the bottom three, we might have had a fighting chance of not being relegated at all.
 
newyddion said:
Yup, we haven’t recruited for the system. Has a prem club got their eyes on wilder? I can imagine Gibbo wanting compo then bringing in someone like.. Dyche
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Newy, if Gravel Gob comes to Boro, that will be me retired to the armchair. We’ll end up playing horrible, horrible football al-a his time at Burnley. Their fans must think it’s Christmas with Kompany bringing excitement back to Turf Moor. I’m not overly struck on Wilder, but Dyche would just about finish me off! Besides which, he still has the massive Chesterfield chip on his shoulder.
 
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