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The Card Cheat said:
Completely agree. You could even make the argument that as he was sacked the very first time that season we went into the bottom three, we might have had a fighting chance of not being relegated at all.
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Nope, not like he had us playing. Started the season overly cautious and got worse. Like watching a slow motion bus crash morph into a slomo train wreck.
 
Beverleyred said:
Newy, if Gravel Gob comes to Boro, that will be me retired to the armchair. We’ll end up playing horrible, horrible football al-a his time at Burnley. Their fans must think it’s Christmas with Kompany bringing excitement back to Turf Moor. I’m not overly struck on Wilder, but Dyche would just about finish me off! Besides which, he still has the massive Chesterfield chip on his shoulder.
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I can see him doing it tho!
 
BiggEggo said:
Aitor would revert to 4-5-1, pick up loads of clean sheets, score no first half goals and nab a load of scruffy 1-0 wins with 80th minute goals followed by 10 minutes of nail-biting panic pinball on the edge of our own area. Spectacular - certainly not, but we would not be bottom 3, and he would probably have us finish just outside a play off spot.
Oh and he would have that right cob on over recruitment in Jan. He would want to bring in more defenders, including a fullback who couldn't take a throw in to save his skin.
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Steffen
Jones—Fry—McNair—Giles
——-Diksteel—Bola————
Forss— —Muniz
—————Hoppe—————
Subbuteo_171 said:
System not working, so either the manager changes his system or the manager needs to leave.

it is so obvious, the players do not fit the system the manager wants to play and the manager is too stubborn to change it. issues -
no mobility in midfield so you cannot play a 3 consisting of any of the choices
a lack of pace across the back line meaning players become exposed
both those factors contribute to Jones and Giles being easily nullified
lack of mobility and pace mean teams can stretch and break against us easily

Wilder needs to swallow his pride and his over inflated opinion of himself (XG for and against, runs into the box utterly irrelevant when you’ve got relegation form over an 18 game stretch covering the end of 1 and beginning of another seasons) then use a formation that suits the players at his disposal.

Not good enough with the players at his disposal. The table does not lie, 10 games in and in the relegation zone.
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Saying 4 wins in 18 is embarrassing mate.

10 games in the league.. which counts and 10 disappointing points .

Also XG is the worst stat, very much in fashion at the moment.. it’s complete bollokcs. I hop Wilder was taking the pish when he was on about XGs otherwise I’d get shot ASAP.
 
newyddion said:
Steffen
Jones—Fry—McNair—Giles
——-Diksteel—Bola————
Forss— —Muniz
—————Hoppe—————

Saying 4 wins in 18 is embarrassing mate.

10 games in the league.. which counts and 10 disappointing points .

Also XG is the worst stat, very much in fashion at the moment.. it’s complete bollokcs. I hop Wilder was taking the pish when he was on about XGs otherwise I’d get shot ASAP.
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Jones and Giles aren’t defenders and can’t defend for their lives. With the squad we have, playing 4 at the back, this is probably the best we can hope for…

……………..Steffen

Dijksteel…Lenihan…Clarke…Bola

………….Howson…McGree

Jones……..Watmore……..Giles

………………Muniz
 
BiggEggo said:
Nope, not like he had us playing. Started the season overly cautious and got worse. Like watching a slow motion bus crash morph into a slomo train wreck.
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I’m sure I read if we picked up the same amount of points average we had up until the point he was sacked, we would have survived.

Plus when we did try and go for games we were getting absolutely mullered.
 
I know things arent great at the moment and we are all suffering, confidence of the team is low and you can see it, we are nervous in our approach but I am confident we can get back to our best, we just have to keep doing the right things Watmores shot off the post and along the front of the goal sums our season up to date, I think we can re group now and go again and its going to be a big 6 weeks till the world cup for the Boro.

Lets get behind them and hope we can get back to our best, if nothing improves then am sure the club will be looking at potentially changing things, however in my opinion I still feel wilder is the right man for the Boro!
 
Subbuteo_171 said:
So?

Do you agree that’s simply not good enough and something needs to change? Or do you think by “werking ‘ard” and sticking with the formation and tactics will see us turn it around?
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It isn’t good enough. This club shouldn’t be in the bottom three of the second division. I also think it’s too early for judgments.

I just take objection to the completely arbitrary figure of 18 games. It’s not 20 because it’s give us more wins, it’s not 30 or 34 because it’d make most of this stuff on here of late look totally stupid.

So, we sack Chris Wilder. The bloke who got this group moving last season is now struggling to get this group moving again. Warnock had them moving at one point don’t forget. At what point do you say well maybe it’s the group? Warnock and now Wilder have alluded to it. We’ve seen it with our eyes. They’re weak too often. A few of the core players have gone through 3 or 4 managers now. Perhaps we just let this bloke weed them out and build a team?
 
Scrug said:
I’m sure I read if we picked up the same amount of points average we had up until the point he was sacked, we would have survived.

Plus when we did try and go for games we were getting absolutely mullered.
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I totally get where you are coming from, but going for it when the pressure was really being piled on was a big ask for a group of players who knew they were in trouble.

Promoted sides generally survive having picked up the bulk of their points from a strong start. The established Prem sides often have the measure of them for return fixtures.

Promoted sides also need to have shown enough promise by Christmas to convince their chairmen to part with some cash to keep them up. Without this investment promoted sides often with much thinner squads always struggle when some key players pick up injuries.

I can't really think of a Promoted side that came with a strong second half of the season having started slow.

I think that not having a go from the very off is the thing that rankled a lot of fans. A manager so desperate for clean sheets, he played for draws in games that we should have been winning.
 
Subbuteo_171 said:
The group has changed in the main.

The group cannot change much until January.

The managers tactics haven’t changed.

The tactic are not working with the players the manager has at his disposal.

Away we have 1 pt in 4 games, in 15 away this calendar year we have 2 wins….we cannot win away with the tactics and personnel. Wilder had a better record away from home before he started bringing his own players in, and the more he brings in the worse it gets…

So how do we get improvement?
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The Managers tactics have changed.
Look at the formation and tactics last night compared to the Sunlun game.
Check what he said in his Media Conference.
Look at the transcript in the Match Day thread.
This constant denial of Wilders flexibility in games and the myth that his "system" doesnt work, is just an excuse to use the blame game and not use our brains to look any deeper.
Its the same old stuck record - for every Manager we`ve hired and fired.
We must be getting it wrong somewhere?
Or maybe there`s another reason?
 
Subbuteo_171 said:
The group has changed in the main.

The group cannot change much until January.

The managers tactics haven’t changed.

The tactic are not working with the players the manager has at his disposal.

Away we have 1 pt in 4 games, in 15 away this calendar year we have 2 wins….we cannot win away with the tactics and personnel. Wilder had a better record away from home before he started bringing his own players in, and the more he brings in the worse it gets…

So how do we get improvement?
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The manager, his staff and the players keep working. Maybe the club are taking a longer term view than 10 games? Or 6 months or 9 months. Maybe just tough it out a bit. It’s September. If things are like this in November then maybe I’d understand some of this hysteria but TBH I can’t get my head around it. The complete panic, the pearl clutching.

We might just have a quiet year and try to improve some bits in the next window and then the one after that. I’m not saying I particularly like or enjoy or want that but that might just be the way it has to be.
 
Subbuteo_171 said:
System not working, so either the manager changes his system or the manager needs to leave.
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The system didn't make Giles slice the ball into his own net, it didn't make a clear foul from behind on Jones not be given, or allow Hendricks to stand 3 yards in front of our keeper and 4 yards off side to block Steffens view.

The system isn't the issue, all systems have pros and cons. It's individual defensive errors, some daft misses, and some blatant ref errors. If the refs did their job properly and we improved 2% at either end of the field we'd probably be sat on about 16 or 17 points.
 
Stopped the rot v Rotherham. Needs to use the Int break to build some understanding in MF which is a basket case atm.

I figure that he probably has October to put things straight. Cov, Brum, Blackpool, Huddersfield are must win games, and a draw at Millwall needed.

I rate his chances as 50/50 and if he can't get his s__t together in that time, then he's neither use nor ornament to us - as my late nan would say.
 
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