“No to ghost games”

How are teams supposed to afford wages etc with nobody paying to get in?
The TV idea might work but it's not going to work for clubs below the championship and non league.
 
They still have to pay players wages though?

If fans aren’t allowed to games I’m sure they’ll be willing to pay to stream matches, ifollow etc.
Not if there aren't any games they don't need to have any players contracted. This is why league two have voted to end the season.
 
Not if there aren't any games they don't need to have any players contracted. This is why league two have voted to end the season.

I’m not talking about just this season. I mean next season as well. There seems to be a lot of people suggesting football should just be abandoned totally until the virus has completely died out. It could be years away that fans are allowed in again.
 
I watched the Dortmund - Schalke game yesterday. I won't be watching any more.

I forgot it was on and then watched the 10 minutes before half time and saw the second goal. Didn't bother with the second half. No atmosphere detracts from the entertainment of the game massively.
 
Wage cap seems the only workable solution.

And banning agents or forcing the players to pay their fees. I really don't understand why the clubs pay an agent's fee when signing a new player. Half the time it feels like the agent will be itching for a move for the player in 12 months even though this isn't in the club's interest just so they can earn some more money.
 
Waiting is fine. But are you willing to wait so long that a number of clubs fold and the pyramid collapses? All I’m saying is that playing behind closed doors might be the only option, as long as it’s safe to do that.

It could be literally years before large crowds are permitted again. I watched Dortmund yesterday and quite enjoyed it, even without fans.
But if people can travel on trains, buses, tubes and in minivans, are allowed to work in offices and factories and the pubs and cafes are allowed outside tables then surely a way can be found to let people sit in the open air of a stadium?
 
But if people can travel on trains, buses, tubes and in minivans, are allowed to work in offices and factories and the pubs and cafes are allowed outside tables then surely a way can be found to let people sit in the open air of a stadium?

I’m sure it can but why? One affects livelihoods of those people, the other doesn’t. I’m not sure I want to risk my health to watch my football club, but I DO want my football club to survive.

At best we can find a way to sit 2m apart in the ground, but I can’t imagine this would please the purists much more than just watching on a live stream.
 
I’m sure it can but why? One affects livelihoods of those people, the other doesn’t. I’m not sure I want to risk my health to watch my football club, but I DO want my football club to survive.

At best we can find a way to sit 2m apart in the ground, but I can’t imagine this would please the purists much more than just watching on a live stream.
Sitting in bars is a choice, I agree that you could weigh up going to work as an occupational risk if you want to continue in your employment and football is a leisure activity but that’s down to personal choice isn’t it? Some with underlying health issues may decide to give it a miss, but those who think going to work in an office and maybe going to an outside bar or cafe presents very little risk to them should be given the choice. I think at some point once this R rate is right down the individual is going to have to take responsibility for their own wellbeing with regard to the virus now we have been made fully aware of its potential consequence.
 
Sitting in bars is a choice, I agree that you could weigh up going to work as an occupational risk if you want to continue in your employment and football is a leisure activity but that’s down to personal choice isn’t it? Some with underlying health issues may decide to give it a miss, but those who think going to work in an office and maybe going to an outside bar or cafe presents very little risk to them should be given the choice. I think at some point once this R rate is right down the individual is going to have to take responsibility for their own wellbeing with regard to the virus now we have been made fully aware of its potential consequence.

I completely agree with that. But I’m not sure football can wait until that choice can be made available.

In other words, I’m happy to accept a temporary compromise. I don’t understand why some people would rather have no football whatsoever, and potentially risk the longer term future of the game, but I suppose it’s horses for courses.
 
I completely agree with that. But I’m not sure football can wait until that choice can be made available.

In other words, I’m happy to accept a temporary compromise. I don’t understand why some people would rather have no football whatsoever, and potentially risk the longer term future of the game, but I suppose it’s horses for courses.
The problem is, the temporary solution is really only about the Premier league. Personally, I could quite happily see that go under.
 
Up until lockdown we subscribed to Virgin for the full Sky Sports package and also BT Sport. We suspended that when sport ended and I certainly will not be taking the package up again to watch ghost sport. I know they won't miss my money, but they will do when others start ending their subscriptions.
 
The problem is, the temporary solution is really only about the Premier league. Personally, I could quite happily see that go under.

I don’t think that’s even possible though, without it massively impacting the entire professional game.
 
Wilf - a guy with a long serving record like you describe, Seb Lewis, tragically died from Covid 19 after his final game in his long, long unbroken run against Middlesbrough.
As someone that hasn't missed a game this century this really made me think. I am still really not sure what to think about watching Boro on tv. I never ever heard Ali Brownlee give a live commentary. I have never seen Boro live on tv for 45 years. And it would be very hard to face that. But then again to not finish the season feels all wrong. And without a vaccine I don't see how we can start a new campaign. Am very torn here. It is really difficult territory we are going into.
 
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