“Attitude and the mindset is, we wanna go and f***ing press”

BoroMart said:
If they really are well below the fitness levels expected, then the best thing they can do while building that up, is start to play a possession game.

I don't think we are more than a couple of % below what we should be in fitness, but we rarely have above 46% possession, so we have to do a lot more work without the ball, that really exposes any fitness issues.

The pressing game was mentioned in the thread earlier, but actually, possession is by and large the key. Most successful teams have the most possession. You get the odd freak like Leicester when they won the title, but you can't sustain not having possession over years and be successful.
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It's no surprise that higher possession equates to higher points. I would think that pressing high up the pitch would lead to more possession too.

I don't really care what is said in a press conference but wilder seems full of passion and genuinely excited to be hear. He seems to be buying into the structure at the club and I agree that he may need a bit of time as the style and approach is drilled into the players but I have quite high hopes for this guy.
 
Laughing said:
It's no surprise that higher possession equates to higher points. I would think that pressing high up the pitch would lead to more possession too.

I don't really care what is said in a press conference but wilder seems full of passion and genuinely excited to be hear. He seems to be buying into the structure at the club and I agree that he may need a bit of time as the style and approach is drilled into the players but I have quite high hopes for this guy.
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The danger with a high press is that either, you have a high defensive line to defend and need the pace at the back and a sweeper keeper to cover it, or you have a big gap between defence and midfield (who are advanced as part of that press) leaving you susceptible to playing through the thirds.

Have we got the CB pace to play high and support a high press?
 
BoroMart said:
The danger with a high press is that either, you have a high defensive line to defend and need the pace at the back and a sweeper keeper to cover it, or you have a big gap between defence and midfield (who are advanced as part of that press) leaving you susceptible to playing through the thirds.

Have we got the CB pace to play high and support a high press?
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Probably not even with a fully fit squad. I imagine they're are times when you should press and times you don't, also how high you press.

The manager had quite a unique approach and got it to work with pretty limited players that he improved. He may well do the same with our players.

Pace is important but positional awareness trumps pace almost every time.
 
I know it's early days but Wilder did say he was impressed with the first 2 days training.

It's not happened yet but most new mangers say 'they ain't fit enough'. That always winds me up. You'd think that's a giver.

I'd be suprised if that's an issue with a Warnock squad. You'd think you'd be taking over a pretty fit bunch of lads (despite 2nd half issues).
 
Laughing said:
Probably not even with a fully fit squad. I imagine they're are times when you should press and times you don't, also how high you press.

The manager had quite a unique approach and got it to work with pretty limited players that he improved. He may well do the same with our players.

Pace is important but positional awareness trumps pace almost every time.
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absolutely, the problem with high press is that you force the position of your defence to be somewhere they probably don't want to be. Now if Nathan Woods returns to the club....maybe.....maybe, we might have that pace in our defence.
 
BoroMart said:
absolutely, the problem with high press is that you force the position of your defence to be somewhere they probably don't want to be. Now if Nathan Woods returns to the club....maybe.....maybe, we might have that pace in our defence.
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Not sure wood's is good enough. One thing seems certain, is going to be interesting and I don't remember this level of support for an incoming manager for quite some time.
 
S7DiscoDown said:
I know it's early days but Wilder did say he was impressed with the first 2 days training.

It's not happened yet but most new mangers say 'they ain't fit enough'. That always winds me up. You'd think that's a giver.

I'd be suprised if that's an issue with a Warnock squad. You'd think you'd be taking over a pretty fit bunch of lads (despite 2nd half issues).
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agreed, I would think the issue is that they can't spend so much time without the ball and do well second half. Each player is probably running an extra 3/4 km just to keep on level terms.
 
SmogOnTheTees said:
Are you sure? I seem to remember that a major part of the Messi, Xavi, Iniesta era Barca game plan was press hard when the opposition is in possession, then turn it over, back to Tiki-taka. I clearly remember the Champions League final against Man U, where Fergie played into their hands by trying to play out from the back for the entire game. They pressed them hard. It was what Busquets was in the team for.

Given that Pep's City does the same thing, I'd say it's part of the reason for his success.

Not every team can do hard pressing though. For a start a match would be terrible to watch.
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Barca players were given 5 seconds to immediately get the ball back iirc.
 
BoroMart said:
Now if Nathan Woods returns to the club....maybe.....maybe, we might have that pace in our defence.
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Is Wood that quick, I've only seen him twice I think (once in some pretty badly shot pre-season game, Bishop maybe?) but I don't remember him being that quick, I remember him being a unit though and commenting on him beefing up.

Or do you mean relatively? I'm sure he'd outrun Bamba and Hall with Uche on his shoulders 🤪 .
 
Laughing said:
Probably not even with a fully fit squad. I imagine they're are times when you should press and times you don't, also how high you press.

The manager had quite a unique approach and got it to work with pretty limited players that he improved. He may well do the same with our players.

Pace is important but positional awareness trumps pace almost every time.
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Exactly this. I think the key is knowing when to do it, and which players will be doing it. There's no point in two CB's pressing and then when we lose the ball they have to try and sprint back keeping up with pacey wingers and attackers.

Its going to be really interesting to see how this all unfolds, but hopefully at the same time we can get the "new manager bounce", which seems to evade us every time. If we can go on a run similar to Nottingham Forest, then we'll be right up there. There is no reason why we can't.
 
Caesium137 said:
Is Wood that quick, I've only seen him twice I think (once in some pretty badly shot pre-season game, Bishop maybe?) but I don't remember him being that quick, I remember him being a unit though and commenting on him beefing up.

Or do you mean relatively? I'm sure he'd outrun Bamba and Hall with Uche on his shoulders 🤪 .
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I think he is pretty quick, not rapid but quick enough and absolutely quicker than all our CBs.
 
BoroMart said:
I think he is pretty quick, not rapid but quick enough and absolutely quicker than all our CBs.
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To be fair I am quicker than some of our defenders. As I recall Woodgate was slow, but in the words of martin scorcese, he never moved quick, he didn't have to.
 
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