Rofesleg
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Telecommunications maybe?Name one area of the public sector that has been privatised that hasn't been a disaster. Privatisation is NEVER the answer.
Telecommunications maybe?Name one area of the public sector that has been privatised that hasn't been a disaster. Privatisation is NEVER the answer.
They know what it's going to be this year but they don't know what it will be in 10 years. You'd think it would keep up with inflation but if it doesn't (like it hasn't over the last 10+ years) then they would have every right to be angry.Do nurses know what the wage is going to be prior to making the decision to be a nurse?
Surely that’s the same for every job.They know what it's going to be this year but they don't know what it will be in 10 years. You'd think it would keep up with inflation but if it doesn't (like it hasn't over the last 10+ years) then they would have every right to be angry.
It's not enough for what they do.This is what a fully qualified nurse with a degree gets paid when they start the profession in England.
No wonder they have just voted to strike. For comparison, the annualized salary for someone on minimum wage is £22,600.
Yes and no. I don't know what you do but if you are private sector then your salary should increase as your company grows. If not, you have the option of moving to another company. Nurses don't have that option. Other places they could be a nurse are other hospitals on the same contract or private/agency (which they have done hence the high vacancy rate which just costs the NHS more).Surely that’s the same for every job.
looking back 10 years, I thought my wage would have increased more than it has.
seems to have worked for dock workers getting 18%Going on strike is never the answer
Give the nurse it but not the over bloated mangers and admin it. I would privatise every part of the NHS that dose not work hands on with patients
I would privatise every part of the NHS that dose not work hands on with patients
Only if allowed too the wastage in the NHS is obscene.I speak on this with first hand knowledge as my wife worked in the NHS for 18years and left due to stress. If any NHS workers on here disagree their is way too many mangers without any hands on experience of working with patients. I have a nice that works in the NHS on a band 7 and she has never spoke to a patient never mind helped one.
Have people seriously not cottoned on that privatising public services makes them cost more, not less?
I have a friend who is band 8b and works in IT. Just because you aren't touching patients doesn't mean you shouldn't work for the NHS or your role isn't important; if they privatised IT they'd need to pay for the staff and the profit margins of the firms, which would be a race to the bottom for contracts and therefore quality - we've been through this already with the likes of servo, capita etc - you're not getting better quality people in and will have higher staff turnoverOnly if allowed too the wastage in the NHS is obscene.I speak on this with first hand knowledge as my wife worked in the NHS for 18years and left due to stress. If any NHS workers on here disagree their is way too many mangers without any hands on experience of working with patients. I have a nice that works in the NHS on a band 7 and she has never spoke to a patient never mind helped one.
I agree that we are probably overspending on the management side, and no doubt it could be made more efficient. But the idea that every person in the NHS needs to have direct contact with patients and experience of caring for them, is ridiculous. There will be people working at engineering firms that couldn't tell you a spanner from a hammer, but they are crucial to the operation of the business.Only if allowed too the wastage in the NHS is obscene.I speak on this with first hand knowledge as my wife worked in the NHS for 18years and left due to stress. If any NHS workers on here disagree their is way too many mangers without any hands on experience of working with patients. I have a nice that works in the NHS on a band 7 and she has never spoke to a patient never mind helped one.
Do nurses know what the wage is going to be prior to making the decision to be a nurse?
exactly thisI have a friend who is band 8b and works in IT. Just because you aren't touching patients doesn't mean you shouldn't work for the NHS or your role isn't important; if they privatised IT they'd need to pay for the staff and the profit margins of the firms, which would be a race to the bottom for contracts and therefore quality - we've been through this already with the likes of servo, capita etc - you're not getting better quality people in and will have higher staff turnover
...... don't be too hard on the NHS. The international comparison is that it isn't overspending on admin and management.I agree that we are probably overspending on the management side, and no doubt it could be made more efficient. But the idea that every person in the NHS needs to have direct contact with patients and experience of caring for them, is ridiculous.
Why? It is a resource that costs money to provide. If users don't pay for it, that cost will have to come out of another budget.100% something that needs addressing. No one who works for the NHS should be paying to park at their place of work