£27,000 a year?

I have just insured a girl on that wage and she is a newly qualified Staff nurse. It’s absolutely disgusting all the abuse they get as well
 
£27k isn't bad for a graduate salary on day 1. It's actually above the average. The problem with nurses salary isn't really the starting salary. The fact that progression doesn't go much further for the majority is an issue but the biggest issue is the responsibility, pressure and workload that they have to do for that salary. If they got the same salary but there was double the staff so workload was reasonable I think the salary would be acceptable, particularly the starting salary.
 
It’s certainly a liveable wage in most areas of the country but considering it’s at least 4 years at uni including loads of unpaid student work it’s not hard to see why they are struggling to recruit, plenty of degrees with half the work that would result in more money

Min wage won’t be that high, as NB said it’s around 18k,22k is possibly living wage?
 
JM14 said:
It’s certainly a liveable wage in most areas of the country but considering it’s at least 4 years at uni including loads of unpaid student work it’s not hard to see why they are struggling to recruit, plenty of degrees with half the work that would result in more money

Min wage won’t be that high, as NB said it’s around 18k,22k is possibly living wage?
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Yes, I forgot to mention the other major problem is that they took the bursary away so theyb come out of training and have a huge debt. They work unpaid during their training which means they don't have time to work another job like other students are able to. It's why we're forced to recruit so many nurses from abroad.

They have the obvious benefit for the government of being cheaper because of no training costs and they are also less likely to complain about pay and conditions.
 
A big problem is these type of jobs dont conform to market rules.

A shortage of nurses doesn't equate to increased wages as demand for them is higher.

A builder round my parts is like gold dust currently so can charge the earth and we have to pay or not have a job done. A nurse is in as short supply and they're getting a payout and having to work harder.
 
Plus the Government is lowering the wage you start paying back your student dent to £25,000 from £27,295 so that will hit nurses hard.

Once over you would train to be a nurse, do your degree and get £6,000 per year bursary for doing so. You left the process debt free. Then the Tories got hold of it - now you end up in uptown £80,000 debt (which you pay interest on)!!

The Tories in 2015 thought that reducing the student bursary would ENCOURAGE more nurses into the NHS - it has done the opposite surprisingly. These crippling debts are causing nurses to use food banks and even give up the career altogether.

Yet again it is the Tories who have wrecked nursing in the NHS - I fully support them in their strike.
 
Erm , 27k is pretty decent for a starting graduate salary ?

I did my undergraduate in physics and then my pgce and started on 26k in London ( not a teacher anymore though ). Irrespective of progression , 27k isn’t bad at all to start (even more so outside of London )

Op , you seriously need to start looking at other graduate salaries
 
Boroboyyo said:
Erm , 27k is pretty decent for a starting graduate salary ?

I did my undergraduate in physics and then my pgce and started on 26k in London ( not a teacher anymore though ). Irrespective of progression , 27k isn’t bad at all to start (even more so outside of London )

Op , you seriously need to start looking at other graduate salaries
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I'm not sure a nurses salary is comparable with the starting salary of a graduate. A graduate might be entering the job market with little experience of the role they are entering. A nurse has basically done a working apprenticeship and has already spent many months doing the same job.

A graduate would not be expected to start work on Day 1 and hit the ground running making life or death decisions - opening themselves up to all sorts of consequences if they get a call wrong. I am not sure the same could be said for other graduates.

Plus the starting points are different: A nurse has gone from £6k a year to £0 per year and £60k debt. That's a bit difference but for the same starting money.
 
That has been some improvement to nurse pay structure. I think they hit the top of their band quicker now. When i compare what I do to what my wife does there should be no way I get paid more than her.

I would say a nurse who works shifts at the top of their band (5 years on) will get paid somewhere between 38-40k when unsociable pay is taken into account
 
Most nurses also earn enhancements for evenings, weekends, nights and Bank Holidays.
 
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JM14 said:
It’s certainly a liveable wage in most areas of the country but considering it’s at least 4 years at uni including loads of unpaid student work it’s not hard to see why they are struggling to recruit, plenty of degrees with half the work that would result in more money

Min wage won’t be that high, as NB said it’s around 18k,22k is possibly living wage?
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The living wage in London pa is £23k (£11.95 ph) - less outside London.
 
Cambsred said:
A big problem is these type of jobs dont conform to market rules.

A shortage of nurses doesn't equate to increased wages as demand for them is higher.

A builder round my parts is like gold dust currently so can charge the earth and we have to pay or not have a job done. A nurse is in as short supply and they're getting a payout and having to work harder.
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Privatise the NHS.
 
A matter of life and death is an idiom first recorded in 1849 to relate to matters of extreme importance, it is why we can't and shouldn't compare salaries of those that keep us alive and healthy to the rest of us mere mortals who whilst doing things of great importance aren't on the cutting edge of life and death every day.

Nurses, doctors, surgeons should be paid a massive premium because of the nature of their work and we want to attract the very best to those professions, I would have thought the last few years would have shown just how important and vital our health care professionals are.
 
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