Morgan Rogers

Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
That's right, but let's not blag about how good he was for us. He wasn't. He was bog standard and our form hasn't fallen off a cliff since he left.
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Some people's desperation to not be wrong is embarrassing. He was very good for us, that's why Villa were desperate to sign him.

Some realised he was very good. They were right.

Some people wrote him off immediately and stubbornly stuck to their opinion. They were wrong.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
That's right, but let's not blag about how good he was for us. He wasn't. He was bog standard and our form hasn't fallen off a cliff since he left.
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He is a young player with loads of potential, he has all the attributes to be a top player…it wasn’t about how good he is now (which many thought he did well for us, me included) why can’t you accept this?.

Quite a few times I have said I don’t rate a player and been proven wrong.

I saw Tommy Smith play for a few clubs before we signed him and I thought he was terrible…
 
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I think some posters misunderstand my point.

I acknowledge he is a very good player now, but to me he was not effective enough when he first came into the Boro side, certainly in League games. Players surely can develop and change, especially in the early part of their career and over the last 5 months he certainly has.

If it was just about what position he was playing why did Boro and Blackpool both play him out of position? and why was he dropped soon after we bought Latte Lath, especially when McGree became injured in early October?
 
This is one of those threads that will run and run for months, years even….

Every time he scores people will be falling over themselves to say ‘see, I told you! I knew he was brilliant all along! I do football better than you!’

And every time he has a poor run people will be falling over themselves to say ‘see, I told you! I knew he was rubbish all along! I do football better than you!’
 
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The Card Cheat said:
Some people's desperation to not be wrong is embarrassing. He was very good for us, that's why Villa were desperate to sign him.

Some realised he was very good. They were right.

Some people wrote him off immediately and stubbornly stuck to their opinion. They were wrong.
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I think there’s a bit grey to the black and white opinions on Rogers. He didn’t set the world alight for us and I wouldn’t particularly say he was very good. He wasn’t really a default first choice 11 player until maybe November December. That said I think it was obvious that he had some raw talent that was unrealised. At the time it was 100% the right decision to take that deal given we’d only had him for 6 months.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
This is one of those threads that will run and run for months, years even….

Every time he scores people will be falling over themselves to say ‘see, I told you! I knew he was brilliant all along! I do football better than you!’

And every time he has a poor run people will be falling over themselves to say ‘see, I told you! I knew he was rubbish all along! I do football better than you!’
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There comes a point though that the fact he’s holding his own in a top 4 prem side that one of those views is right and one is wrong. The fact it’s just 6 months after some posters were slating him makes it more amusing
 
Redwurzel said:
I think some posters misunderstand my point.

I acknowledge he is a very good player now, but to me he was not effective enough when he first came into the Boro side, certainly in League games. Players surely can develop and change, especially in the early part of their career and over the last 5 months he certainly has.

If it was just about what position he was playing why did Boro and Blackpool both play him out of position? and why was he dropped soon after we bought Latte Lath, especially when McGree became injured in early October?
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If you or anybody else for that matter are still to be convinced that for a short time we had one of the best talents we’ve had for a long time and remember we had him for half a season during which he didn’t play regularly. Then watch this video analysis from Statman Dave. I lament his loss more so than Chuba to be honest

 
BoroMart said:
Can’t be right….he did nothing for us 😂 😂

One thing I seem to see creeping into this board more and more is people just refusing any evidence that doesn’t align with their already entrenched views.
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Exactly! Oh and read these comments on the Villa messageboard from overnight and weep. And there’s a lot more but couldn’t bring myself to read them all.

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Mysonpat. said:
He is a young player with loads of potential, he has all the attributes to be a top player…it wasn’t about how good he is now (which many thought he did well for us, me included) why can’t you accept this?.

Quite a few times I have said I don’t rate a player and been proven wrong.

I saw Tommy Smith play for a few clubs before we signed him and I thought he was terrible…
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I have no doubts about his potential, same as yourself. He could go on to be a very good player, he needs to add consistency to his game and he's young enough to do that.

He wasn't that player whilst with us, that's all I'm saying, whilst others are re-writing history to show what experts they are.
 
BoroMart said:
There comes a point though that the fact he’s holding his own in a top 4 prem side that one of those views is right and one is wrong. The fact it’s just 6 months after some posters were slating him makes it more amusing
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This is true, he’s doing very well at the moment.
However, anybody who thinks it was obvious that he would make the step up and hold down a slot in a top 4 team in such a short time is kidding themselves. He showed glimpses of real ability but he looked a million miles away from a top 4 prem player while playing for us.

As for him being slated 6 months ago, I think the whole team were. In fact, for some players they’ve gone between great one week and rubbish the next all season. Barlaser, Greenwood, Clarke, Howson, Mcanair, Fry, Jones, Silvera, Crroks, Ayling have all suffered more than their share of (often unfair) criticism too. It’s just football. One minute you’re hot, the next your’e not. We all see and like different attributes in players. It’s part of what makes it a great game I think.
I found Rogers frustrating because I thought he lost possession far too much and was actually a bit of a bottler when the chips were down and he wasn’t prepared to get stuck in. However, I understand that if he’s trying more ambitious passes that’s likely to happen and he’s not in the team to tackle. Even so, his passing was terrible at times. But he clearly had abilities that made him a real prospect and I’m glad he’s playing well in the prem at the moment. Long may it continue! Best of luck to the lad!
 
Zoophonic said:
If you or anybody else for that matter are still to be convinced that for a short time we had one of the best talents we’ve had for a long time and remember we had him for half a season during which he didn’t play regularly. Then watch this video analysis from Statman Dave. I lament his loss more so than Chuba to be honest

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"Starting to fulfill his potential" that's what he says. It doesn't seem difficult to grasp.

His first few games for us were in the disastrous start to the season where he was initially being played out of position. He was taken out of the team for a while before being reintroduced at the end of November having shown what he can do in cup games. From that point onwards you could see him improving rapidly. 11 Championship appearances (9 starts) with 5 assists and 1 goal.

Aside from the initial experiment with him as a striker, Carrick and the coaches handled Rogers really well and he had become one of our main players by Christmas. That is literally a textbook example of how to handle a young, inexperienced player with potential. About 3 months in and out of the team as he learns his role then hoping he makes a position his own.

Also important to realise that he had made his name playing on the left of the forward line; relatively little experience playing as a #10. He was though starting to master the demands of the role in the Championship.

By the time Villa got obsessed with him he had probably made it into the top ten #10s in the league and every chance he would have kept on improving at the same rate.

Villa have bought him partly to keep Emery happy but they do have a smart recruitment team and they undoubtedly think he'll be worth £50m+ after a couple of seasons in the Premier. He has played more than I expected; I figured he would get some cup matches and 15 minutes here and there in the Premier league. Turns out though that they needed a fair amount of time from a back-up left winger which is where they have put him back to. Not good enough, yet, to be a Premier league #10 but with the extra room and time on the ball on the left, he is making a good case for himself.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I have no doubts about his potential, same as yourself. He could go on to be a very good player, he needs to add consistency to his game and he's young enough to do that.

He wasn't that player whilst with us, that's all I'm saying, whilst others are re-writing history to show what experts they are.
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He was though and the stats bear it out too but you just don’t see it. I saw it, many posters above saw it, others did and so did those with a professional eye. He wasn’t bought for the future he’s in the Villa team now and flourishing. He will be an England player within two years.
 
kuepper said:
Irrespective of how good or bad he was for us it was terrible business to sell him so cheaply to a money-laden Premier club
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I suspect there might have been some form of release clause as the club have said they were powerless to stop him going, which sounds an admission.
 
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