F*CK VAR

BoroMart said:
Using camera position knowledge and algorithms, var does not require cameras to be in line to accurately draw lines. It can see the pitch dimension, and with a bit of computer aided maths can draw the lines…..a human lino does need to be in line of course and often fails to be, so this is why var is better at offside decisions. Now if they’d grow a pair and automate it we can move on to discussions about how best to use var for penalty and handball decisions which is more open to debate
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You talk as if the technology is infallible. Just today we have five contentious issues from two games. The technology was supposed to put an end to it. It’s made things worse than ever.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Of course you need to be in line with it. They weren’t using semi-automated offsides were they? Or were they. Who knows what goes on.

All we know for sure is that there are now far too many games of football being decided off the pitch rather than on it.
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The semi-automated multi camera system is certainly more accurate, but even with the single camera system they use in the Premier League you do not need to be in line, because the software that draws the lines does so in a manner that ensures they are in a virtual parallel direction to the goal line, and not merely straight up and down the screen.
 
BoroMart said:
Using camera position knowledge and algorithms, var does not require cameras to be in line to accurately draw lines. It can see the pitch dimension, and with a bit of computer aided maths can draw the lines…..a human lino does need to be in line of course and often fails to be, so this is why var is better at offside decisions. Now if they’d grow a pair and automate it we can move on to discussions about how best to use var for penalty and handball decisions which is more open to debate
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VAR offsides have been shown to be inaccurate as a result of the angles used, resolution, frame rate, when the ball is kicked etc.

For obvious errors it’s fine. The tight ones though it cannot be accurate. And it ruins the game.
 
B_G said:
VAR needs to.f*cl off. Totally ruined an Fa cup special moment. 3-0 down at half time to win4-3 to be over ruled by an overgrown toe nail. How was that a clear an obvious error? That was the reason it was brought in.

Feel..sorry for those 36k Coventry fans that deserved that moment.

VAR has ruined ruined game.
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Clear and obvious errors don't apply to offside. It's either offside or it isn't. In this case it was offside and was correctly ruled out.

I would have far rather seen that goal stand but it was offside I'm not sure how the enjoyment of one set of fans is being used to justify the other set of fans feeling the opposite, even if they are Utd fans.

BobendBert said:
VAR offsides have been shown to be inaccurate as a result of the angles used, resolution, frame rate, when the ball is kicked etc.

For obvious errors it’s fine. The tight ones though it cannot be accurate. And it ruins the game.
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The most important thing is that the process is consistent, and it is. There are margins of error and the one for VAR is far smaller than the one for a human linesman.
 
BoroMart said:
But it was offside regardless by how much and I say that as someone that hates Man Utd. Surely allowing a verifiably offside goal to stand isn’t a good thing regardless how harsh it seems on Coventry.
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100pc this. Social media is full of ppl claiming it's VARs fault when it doesn't work, and now seemingly, when it does too. Offside is a purely objective, binary decision and I'm pleased they're looking at automation. Appreciate there's some subjectivity around penalties etc but the codification of the sport is as much to blame for that imo.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
You talk as if the technology is infallible. Just today we have five contentious issues from two games. The technology was supposed to put an end to it. It’s made things worse than ever.
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Even if you take today as an example, then VAR left forest with exactly the same number of penalties they would have had without it, and prevented an offside goal allowing a side to progress unjustly to the FA Cup final. That’s one no difference and one better on a point of huge importance. Neither of those, by any measure, is worse in the decision sense.
 
BoroMart said:
But it was offside regardless by how much and I say that as someone that hates Man Utd. Surely allowing a verifiably offside goal to stand isn’t a good thing regardless how harsh it seems on Coventry.
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The games ruined. Wouldn't bother turning up if VAR was in place.
If I couldn't celebrate a goal in case it's overturned I wouldn't pay hundreds of pounds to attend.

Fair enough if he's 3 yards off but it was a midges d*ck, and the system has known inaccuracies
 
Nano said:
Clear and obvious errors don't apply to offside. It's either offside or it isn't. In this case it was offside and was correctly ruled out.

I would have far rather seen that goal stand but it was offside I'm not sure how the enjoyment of one set of fans is being used to justify the other set of fans feeling the opposite, even if they are Utd fans.


The most important thing is that the process is consistent, and it is. There are margins of error and the one for VAR is far smaller than the one for a human linesman.
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It does, the same as umpires call applies in LBWs. There's known inaccuracies in the system.
 
B_G said:
The games ruined. Wouldn't bother turning up if VAR was in place.
If I couldn't celebrate a goal in case it's overturned I wouldn't pay hundreds of pounds to attend.

Fair enough if he's 3 yards off but it was a midges d*ck, and the system has known inaccuracies
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Fair enough if he was 3 yards offside and it wasn't given?

Half of the fans also go from despair to elation.
 
Football is the fans. If not for fans it would be a game played on the fields of public schools by the upper classes. VAR has unquestionably made the game worse for fans to watch, as every single fan survey has overwhelming shown. 95% of fans in one survey said it had made the game worse to watch.
Football is a unique game because of the value of a goal, no other sport is like it, because of that VAR doesn't work, because it completely denigrates the fan experience by creating doubt in the minds of fans experiencing the euphoria of celebrating a goal.
If anyone genuinely thinks that disallowing a goal that was given by the ref and the linesman because someone's toe may have been offside and gained precisely zero advantage is improving the game for fans they want medical assistance.
 
Chris_Boro said:
Fair enough if he was 3 yards offside and it wasn't given?

Half of the fans also go from despair to elation.
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Fair enough being overturned if he's 3 yards off.
But when it's borderline just let it be. Let supporters and players live in the moment.

Overturn the obvious ones, not the ridiculously narrow ones.
 
B_G said:
Fair enough being overturned if he's 3 yards off.
But when it's borderline just let it be. Let supporters and players live in the moment.

Overturn the obvious ones, not the ridiculously narrow ones.
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Obvious is a matter of opinion, he looked off in real-time, it only looked close when VAR looked at it.

You're asking for ambiguity, that's how offsides that were miles off weren't given before VAR.

VAR should have a tolerance, but that requires a change in the laws of the game. These same arguments have happened every single time a new law is introduced or changed.
 
B_G said:
Fair enough being overturned if he's 3 yards off.
But when it's borderline just let it be. Let supporters and players live in the moment.

Overturn the obvious ones, not the ridiculously narrow ones.
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Then you'd need to have linesman flagging again for more incidents.

What happens when a linesman wrongly flags for what they thought was a narrow offside?
Should they just let the incorrect decision stand and rule out a legitimate goal because it's borderline?
 
With the really tight decisions - Thst was tight today

How do they know the exact point that the ball leaves the passing players foot? To me they just guess?
 
Imagine if macroni's header against steua was ruled out by an offside toe in the buildup how sick would we all have felt. the greatest game in living memory for many coventry fans was ruined by something so small it shouldn't count
 
Littlefella68 said:
If it's the other way round is it given as offside - no chance.

VAR decision : bent
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You mean against Man U? Like the penalty that was never a penalty, you mean?

B_G said:
Overturn the obvious ones, not the ridiculously narrow ones.
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If it's offside it's obvious. No matter how short the distance. Personally I'd add some lee-way to the law to make it easier on fans but as it is I can't argue that offside isn't offside no matter how much I hate VAR.

The problem I have is when a linesman flags early and gets it wrong there's no comeback - although that does appear to happen less as VAR has 'improved'.

FishofContemplation said:
Even if you take today as an example, then VAR left forest with exactly the same number of penalties they would have had without it, and prevented an offside goal allowing a side to progress unjustly to the FA Cup final. That’s one no difference and one better on a point of huge importance. Neither of those, by any measure, is worse in the decision sense.
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How can they not be worse, in the decision sense? As outcomes, maybe, but that's a different thing.

We have VAR to make correct decisions. Without VAR, if the linesman didn't flag then there'd be a minor discussion about it being tight but that would be it. If he did it would be the same but the game would probably have stopped before the 'goal'.

The third Forest penalty claim was as clear and obvious an error as it gets. The fact a lack of VAR would have left Forest fuming anyway is no consolation. The fact we have to put up with VAR at all means it MUST get it right when required.
 
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